Is Russia had right to afraid from West agenda? ?

[Revoltingest]

Probably.
14 nations have joined NATO since 1990.
NATO is a threat to Russian influence of Europe.
Each nation that joins NATO diminishes that influence.
Just like the US, we want to increase our influence in Europe for our security.
Western culture seems a threat to Russian political power.

Part of the threat to Russia appears to be cultural.
All that gay marriage, atheism, liberals, protests,
multi-culturalism, & anti-government free speech.
Putin wants something more Christian...Russian
Orthodox in flavor.
Some argue that it's all about money...capitalists
are behind all the war. But Putin, who also has
much wealth, appears to desire recapturing former
glory of the Soviet empire. Economic sanctions
would more than offset any personal financial
gain from annexing Ukraine.

 

[Estro Felino]

It's a cheap and easy way of stoking hatred among the masses. That's why it's such a widely-used tactic and comparison.

Not all masses. I still recall ...in 2019, Putin came to Rome, he was cheered by the passers-by.
He had a very private dinner with the Prime Minister and all the government in a very exclusive villa. It was the evidence of how Putin felt home here.

Despite all the present narrative, Putin feels home in Austria and Germany too (he speaks German).
He attended the Austrian FA minister's wedding.

 

[stvdv]

So he is delusional? Not good for a leader. Since obviously the Ukraine WAS no threat to Putin or Russia.

Delusions can make people do crazy things, presidents are no exceptions. Just another human

A year ago or so, some (many) Muslims in Pakistan wanted to nuke the Netherlands over a stupid drawing contest. People get so easily provoked and are so full of hate, that anything can trigger a "nuclear" reaction in them.

So, indeed it's a dangerous time with all the nukes. 1 day this will escalate, when 1 person irritates another person who just happens to have nukes (or a killer virus or...)

Latvia and Estonia both border Russia and are members of NATO. Not notice this?

Delusional people are known to think not clear, and don't see reality, they see everything with a deluded vision. Hence treat them carefully, as to not get them to "explode". I do hope some politicians learn a valuable lesson from this on "how to use freedom of speech"

 

[Estro Felino]

Economic sanctions
would more than offset any personal financial
gain from annexing Ukraine.

I would like to ask Americans this question.

Is the average American aware that an economic war (through sanctions) is going to harm European countries enormously?

Because Germany in particular depends on Russian natural gas?. But all of Europe trades with Russia...basically.

Or is the average American more inclined to think ""I couldn't care less about the European countries. "?

Thank you in advance for your answer.

 

[Stevicus]

To see the situation as it is shouldn't include
treating NATO Germany as Nazi Germany.

I never said that it should.

The Putin-Hitler analogy looks far more cromulent than
the vaccine-Holocaust analogy IMO. Are you saying
they're similar or equivalent?

No, you're missing the point.

It doesn't.
But I was curious about your seeming rather
cagey about proffering many pro-Russian
anti-NATO factoids.

I don't see this as an "either/or," "us vs. them" situation. Perhaps you do.

 

[Revoltingest]

Despite all the present narrative, Putin feels home in Austria and Germany too (he speaks German).
He attended the Austrian FA minister's wedding.

I think he might be less welcome in Germany these days.
In a major shift, Germany will send weapons to Ukraine
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/22/ger...nord-stream-2-amid-russia-ukraine-crisis.html
Over 1 Lakh Germans Protest in Berlin Against Russia’s Invasion of Ukraine

 

[England my lionheart]

Hello all
I know this probably provoking some people subject.
But i think West won't listen to Russia until they used nuclear weapon in neutral allie country to NATO.
West support Ukraine to destroy Russia. Is not same condition Cuba and USA?
West destroy many allies of Russia such Iraq. Syria. Libya. Etc.
Is probably turn of Russia to destroy allies of West !!!?

Thats what Nato is for to stop Russia from doing so,in 1989 a human chain of 2 million people holding hands (a world record) ran through Estonia Latvia and Lithuania in a peaceful demonstration against the unlawful occupation of their countries by Russia and they don't want Russia back and joined Nato when they gained independence,Putin is a born again Stalin on steroids.

 

[Revoltingest]

I would like to ask Americans this question.

Is the average American aware that an economic war (through sanctions) is going to harm European countries enormously?

Because Germany in particular depends on Russian natural gas?. But all of Europe trades with Russia...basically.

Or is the average American more inclined to think ""I couldn't care less about the European countries...because USA is USA and Europe is nothing "?

Thank you in advance for your answer.

Economic sanctions harm everyone.
But if NATO eschews military intervention in the
attack on Ukraine, & also fails to impose economic
sanctions, then what power would you recommend
using to dissuade Putin from invading Ukraine &
any other country?

 

[Godobeyer]

What threat? what provoking? Again, do you have a world map? Do you know how many weapons, and what kind of weapons, has Russia, and how many the Ukraine? Or are you just making things up?

Little reminder: Russia has enough weapons to destroy the entire world many times over. So, what kind of rational person would ever believe that a country like the Ukraine could be a threat to it?

Estonia is also bordering Russia. Do you think it could be a threat to Russia? I mean, the Russians must be terrified to be annihilated by Estonia. Don’t you think?

Ciao

- viole

Seems you have no idea about what's going on , that's why post lot of question .
Russia faced threaten of NATO expend to their borders, West did not plant flowers ,they planted missiles ,that's what was concerned USA in Cuba before.

For other countries next to Russia allie to NATO Estonia , they join before Putin take control on Russia , don't know what would happened if it's was now.
Russia surrendered by NATO, I consider their fears and not trust.
NATO destoried all regimes all to Russia, by name of freedom and democraty but protect countries allie to West , despite they not democraty regimes such Kings of oil countries .

 

[Revoltingest]

No, you're missing the point.

You've been so cagey.
That's why I asked.

 

[Nakosis]

Part of the threat to Russia appears to be cultural.
All that gay marriage, atheism, liberals, protests,
multi-culturalism, & anti-government free speech.
Putin wants something more Christian...Russian
Orthodox in flavor.
Some argue that it's all about money...capitalists
are behind all the war. But Putin, who also has
much wealth, appears to desire recapturing former
glory of the Soviet empire. Economic sanctions
would more than offset any personal financial
gain from annexing Ukraine.

Don't really know what is in Putin's head but I suspect he needs a win here to keep his power.

If Putin doesn't pull off a win here I doubt he'll be president after 2024.
I imagine Russians want to see themselves as a powerful nation and are expecting Putin to deliver as promised. A sense of nationalism like sometimes used by Western presidents.

The economic prosperity of Russian maybe secondary to Putin remaining in power.

 

[Godobeyer]

Thats what Nato is for to stop Russia from doing so,in 1989 a human chain of 2 million people holding hands (a world record) ran through Estonia Latvia and Lithuania in a peaceful demonstration against the unlawful occupation of their countries by Russia and they don't want Russia back and joined Nato when they gained independence,Putin is a born again Stalin on steroids.

Is there lawful occupation and unlawful occupation ?
If NATO believe in peace why put missiles next to RUSSIA ?

 

[Estro Felino]

Economic sanctions harm everyone.
But if NATO eschews military intervention in the
attack on Ukraine, & also fails to impose economic
sanctions, then what power would you recommend
using to dissuade Putin from invading Ukraine &
any other country?

I had asked you a different question.
Do Americans think Europeans' interests are irrelevant?
So irrelevant that they can be sacrificed on the altar of this Russia-USA cold war?

 

[Wandering Monk]

I would like to ask Americans this question.

Is the average American aware that an economic war (through sanctions) is going to harm European countries enormously?

Because Germany in particular depends on Russian natural gas?. But all of Europe trades with Russia...basically.

Or is the average American more inclined to think ""I couldn't care less about the European countries. "?

Thank you in advance for your answer.

Europe seems to be OK with that risk. Also, the US should immediately start shipping oil and natural gas to Europe, restart the oil shale works in N. Dakota.

 

[Revoltingest]

Don't really know what is in Putin's head but I suspect he needs a win here to keep his power.

If Putin doesn't pull off a win here I doubt he'll be president after 2024.
I imagine Russians want to see themselves as a powerful nation and are expecting Putin to deliver as promised. A sense of nationalism like sometimes used by Western presidents.

The economic prosperity of Russian maybe secondary to Putin remaining in power.

I suspect that Putin has consolidated enuf power
to survive losing face in Ukraine. But it's up to him.
If he wants Ukraine, then no one will stop him.
He can pay the price of sanctions.

 

[Estro Felino]

Europe seems to be OK with that risk. Also, the US should immediately start shipping oil and natural gas to Europe, restart the oil shale works in N. Dakota.

Thank you for caring.

 

[Revoltingest]

Do Americans think Europeans' interests are irrelevant?

No. They've been widely covered in the media
here, eg, the looming energy shortage.

So irrelevant that they can be sacrificed to the altar of this Russia-USA cold war?

I reject the premise of your question, ie, that
this is solely about the cold war. NATO exists
independently of USA.
Would you prefer that economic sanctions not
be applied to Russia?
Should Ukraine recognize Russia's need for
security, & peacefully submit to annexation?

 

[Estro Felino]

No. They've been widely covered in the media
here, eg, the looming energy shortage.

I reject the premise of your question, ie, that
this is solely about the cold war. NATO exists
independently of USA.
Would you prefer that economic sanctions not
be applied to Russia?
Should Ukraine recognize Russia's need for
security, & peacefully submit to annexation?

Putin just wants new elections. And the independence of Donbass. Period.

 

[England my lionheart]

Is there lawful occupation and unlawful occupation ?
If NATO believe in peace why put missiles next to RUSSIA ?

Estonia Latvia Estonia asked to join Nato but Nato does not occupy any of them,some Nato countries have nuclear weapons like the UK America but they don't need to put them on the border,they can be fired from all over in mutual destruction,nobody wants that,it's a deterrent not for agression.

 

[Nakosis]

I suspect that Putin has consolidated enuf power
to survive losing face in Ukraine. But it's up to him.
If he wants Ukraine, then no one will stop him.
He can pay the price of sanctions.

Well, if Putin wins Ukraine, I guess I won't be able to test my prediction.
Kind of hoping Ukraine can make it too costly to continue. Though Russia may hold onto small parts of Ukraine and call it a win.