Is Russia had right to afraid from West agenda? ?

[England my lionheart]

Putin just wants new elections. And the independence of Donbass. Period.

I think he wants to be Stalin,he wasn't very nice either.

 

[Revoltingest]

Putin just wants new elections. And the independence of Donbass. Period.

Evidence for this?
Your claim seems defeated by Russia's
invading elsewhere in Ukraine.

 

[Revoltingest]

Well, if Putin wins Ukraine, I guess I won't be able to test my prediction.
Kind of hoping Ukraine can make it too costly to continue. Though Russia may hold onto small parts of Ukraine and call it a win.

The last scenario looks likely.

 

[Estro Felino]

Evidence for this?
Your claim seems defeated by Russia's
invading elsewhere in Ukraine.

I understand Russian.
I watch Russian media all the time to improve my skills.
There has never been hatred between these two almost identical Nations.
Putin just wants a Soros-free Ukraine.
Because he thinks Soros colonized Ukraine to instigate her against Russians.

And Putin is not the problem. Russians will elect another like him, after him

And the more USA antagonizes Russia, the more Russians will elect nationalists like Putin.

 

[Wandering Monk]

Thank you for caring.

Do you think that no one in our government is working this issue?

 

[Estro Felino]

Do you think that no one in our government is working this issue?

I did know that. But it takes too long.

 

[Revoltingest]

I understand Russian.
I watch Russian media all the time to improve my skills.
There has never been hatred between these two almost identical Nations.
Putin just wants a Soros-free Ukraine.

And a military invasion is the proper solution to
his imagining that Soros rules Ukraine?
I'd be careful about believing Russian TV.
It's heavily government controlled.

 

[Estro Felino]

And a military invasion is the proper solution to
his imagining that Soros rules Ukraine?
I'd be careful about believing Russian TV. It's
heavily government controlled.

It is a vicious circle.

The more USA antagonizes Russia, the more Russians elect nationalists like Putin.

 

[Nimos]

Ukraine PRESIDENT want to have Nuclear weapon.
Want join to NATO which. I remember last few. Months Western countries come to black Sea.By war ships.
Now it's not secret NATO IS BASICALLY is ANTI Russia and China.
Russia said: words of West is not Same as acts on ground. West installed missiles in borders of Russia.

Its simply not true there are so many incorrect things in what you are writing here.

They signed an agreement.

After extensive political maneuvering, Ukraine ratified Start in February 1994 when it signed the Trilateral Statement along with the U.S. and Russia. Ukraine committed to full disarmament in exchange for economic compensation and security assurances.

The country had accepted economic assistance from the U.S. to dismantle missiles, bombers, and nuclear infrastructure, and agreed to hand over its warheads to Russia to be dismantled there in exchange for compensation for the commercial value of its highly-enriched uranium.

Ukraine transferred its last nuclear warhead to Russia in 1996 and dismantled its last strategic nuclear delivery vehicle in 2001.

NATO is a defensive alliance against foreign threats, doesn't matter if its Russia, China, Finland or Madagascar. Its not a military force travelling around the world attacking and invading people. Russia and China are considered the greatest potential threat because they have huge armies. Its no different than China and Russia seeing the US as their potential greatest threat, because they have a huge army. That doesn't mean that the US is going to attack them.

The countries that makes up NATO are countries that value freedom and democracy and doesn't support dictators, that is the only reason China and Russia don't like them.

It makes no difference where the missiles are placed because they are ICBM and that is just the missiles and not those on ships/submarines etc.

RT-2UTTH "Topol M" (SS-27) 11,000 miles

Russia Operational
RS-24 "Yars" (SS-29) 11,000 miles

Russia Operational
RS-26 Rubezh 6,000 minimum range 12,600 miles

Russia Operational
RS-28 Sarmat 18,000 miles

Russia Under development

LGM-30 Minuteman III 13,000

United States Operational

DF-31 7,200 minimum range 11,200 miles

China Operational
DF-5 12,000 minimum range 15,000 miles

China Operational
DF-41 12,000 minimum range 15,000 miles

China Operational

They can shoot all over the place if they want.

 

[Revoltingest]

It is a vicious circle.

The more USA antagonizes Russia, the more Russians elect nationalists like Putin.

How was Russia being antagonized by USA prior
to Russia's invading Ukraine?
How was this antagonization such an existential
threat that Ukraine had to be invaded & conquered?

 

[Estro Felino]

How was Russia being antagonized by USA prior
to Russia's invading Ukraine?
How was this antagonization such an existential
threat that Ukraine had to be invaded & conquered?

Because, after the end of Communism, I have never seen Russophilia in the US.
The USA did anything to prevent Russia from joining the NATO, even before Putin.

 

[Nimos]

The issue is not what the general idea is or what common sense is. If Putin perceives it as a threat, then he will act on it as a threat.

Does not matter if I think "Putin you have watched too many horror movies, I am definitely not a threat to you", all what matters is how Putin perceives it, because he will use his own feelings to determine to nuke the West or not, hence the importance to take the feelings from others always serious and not belittle their feelings.

Children sometimes have, in our eyes, absurd fears, but still a good parent takes it serious. Some grown ups still have childish fears, and still these fears can go nuclear

I agree and that is the issue here, the trust between the 4 (3) great powers, they spend way to much time at each others throats rather than working together. But its obviously not easy when one part support very restricted freedom and the other part want as much freedom as possible.

 

[Wandering Monk]

BUT, maybe it is time to create or utilize a different defense structure that has less baggage than NATO. There is the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, which Russia is a current member. IF Russia makes strides toward real democracy, I think that OSCE could be the answer.

 

[Revoltingest]

Because I have never seen Russophilia after the end of Communism in the US.

The "end of Communism in the US"?
We were never communist, so communism never ended.
We even have a Communist Party (which is small though).
I read that now as....
Hostility towards Russia began immediately after
the collapse of the Soviet Union. That's not the
history I remember after its fall. The cold war
seemed over....albeit with concern that Russia's
many nuclear weapons might not be secure.

The USA did anything to prevent Russia from joining the NATO, even before Putin.

Are you arguing that something that happened before
Putin subsequently inspired Putin to see an existential
threat from NATO? Even after Ukraine transferred all
its nuclear weapons to Russia, Putin sees Ukraine as
an existential threat?

 

[Godobeyer]

Estonia Latvia Estonia asked to join Nato but Nato does not occupy any of them,some Nato countries have nuclear weapons like the UK America but they don't need to put them on the border,they can be fired from all over in mutual destruction,nobody wants that,it's a deterrent not for agression.

I believe NATO is remain exist for reason, destroy Russia and China,not just for defend .(as they claim)
the West destroied and occupied,split most of countries allie to Russia :,Syria,Iraq,Vietnam,Libya,Yogslavia ,others are under sanctions : Iran and N Korea.

 

[Wandering Monk]

I believe NATO is remain exist for reason, destroy Russia and China,not just for defend .(as they claim)
the West destroied and occupied,split most of countries allie to Russia :,Syria,Iraq,Vietnam,Libya,Yogslavia ,others are under sanctions : Iran and N Korea.

As if Russia wasn't fighting proxy wars in those countries. LOL. I guess they should be unhindered in your estimation.

 

[Estro Felino]

The "end of Communism in the US"?
We were never communist, so communism never ended.
We even have a Communist Party (which is small though).

Are you arguing that something that happened before
Putin subsequently inspired Putin to see an existential
threat from NATO? Even after Ukraine transferred all
its nuclear weapons to Russia, Putin sees Ukraine as
an existential threat?

When the cold war ended, has there ever been a project to create a military alliance between USA and Russia?
Considering the great accomplishments done in space by joint missions?

 

[England my lionheart]

I believe NATO is remain exist for reason, destroy Russia and China,not just for defend .(as they claim)
the West destroied and occupied,split most of countries allie to Russia :,Syria,Iraq,Vietnam,Libya,Yogslavia ,others are under sanctions : Iran and N Korea.

Vietnam is doubtful but hey Russia was there too,Iraq was a big mistake i agree but Iraq Syria and Libya Iran and N Korea all had/have tyranical leaders,Nato is not "the west" and is defensive not aggressive,Putin hates it because he can't have his own way anymore.

 

[viole]

Seems you have no idea about what's going on , that's why post lot of question .
Russia faced threaten of NATO expend to their borders, West did not plant flowers ,they planted missiles ,that's what was concerned USA in Cuba before.

For other countries next to Russia allie to NATO Estonia , they join before Putin take control on Russia , don't know what would happened if it's was now.
Russia surrendered by NATO, I consider their fears and not trust.
NATO destoried all regimes all to Russia, by name of freedom and democraty but protect countries allie to West , despite they not democraty regimes such Kings of oil countries .

Nato is a defensive organization. By definition, only ruthless attackers can fear it.

Anyway, If someone attacks a country because it expresses its sovereign right to ally itself with whomever they want, than that is wrong to attack it. Whoever does that. If the USA does that, then the USA would be wrong. But now it is Russia doing that. So, I am not sure what your point is.

do you think that something usually wrong turns right if someone else does it?

ciao

- viole

 

[Estro Felino]

Vietnam is doubtful but hey Russia was there too,Iraq was a big mistake i agree but Iraq Syria and Libya Iran and N Korea all had/have tyranical leaders,Nato is not "the west" and is defensive not aggressive,Putin hates it because he can't have his own way anymore.

Libya had no tyrannical leader.
And by the way, Italy has always guaranteed that Libya was a modern and wealthy country.

The NATO sided with the fundamentalists, instead of siding with the Libyans.