Is the bible all about Jesus Christ?

[moorea944]

Claim: The Holy Bible in its entirety (i.e. both the Hebrew and Christian scriptures) is a book that is all about Jesus Christ.

Do you agree or disagree?

I heard someone claim this the other day and though it would be a good (and hopefully contentious) topic for RF

The bible is about GOD and the nation of Israel, with Jesus as it's main focal point.
We have to remember that the bible is a Hebrew bible. Jesus is in the OT, but only as a coming messiah. I dont believe in the trinity at all, so Jesus did not pre-exist. We are only told of someone to come. (Too many verses to list now...)

Even in the OT and the NT we learn about the "first" Kingdom of God being the nation of Israel. We also learn that, that Kingdom of God will be restored when Christ returns. Paul says that the first church, or more appropriately called, "ecclesia", were the children of Israel in the wilderness. And we have to remember that salvation was to the Jews first, then to the Gentiles.

Look at who Jesus preached to. It was the house of Israel or to the Jews. But if other people listened to him, that was ok too. When Jesus was alive here on earth, he sent out the apostles to preach only to the house of Israel too. But of course that later changes......

But just to say that the bible is only about Jesus, I would have to say that is wrong. And we would miss so much!! The bible is about our Heavenly Father first...... Then we learn about His son.

Hope this helps

 

[1213]

Cute. You know the one about raiding a city,
killing everyone but the girls...try for a bit imagining the scene in detail.....

Apparently, I have very different imagination than you have. But, even if I could imagine bad things, I think it would be wrong to accuse others on basis what I have imagined. Or what do you think, would it be ok to judge you for murder, because I imagined to police that you are a murderer?

 

[Audie]

Apparently, I have very different imagination than you have. But, even if I could imagine bad things, I think it would be wrong to accuse others on basis what I have imagined. Or what do you think, would it be ok to judge you for murder, because I imagined to police that you are a murderer?

What an utterly weird way to dodge the
simple facts of what your marvy book
actually says.

I doubt you are of such diminished capacity
that you cannot visualize a scene that is so
explicitly described.

You think the girls were asked for a certificate
if virginity from their doctors? What in the
bleedin' hell DO you think those soldiers did?

We suspect that thought is too risky
for blind faith to endure.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Claim: The Holy Bible in its entirety (i.e. both the Hebrew and Christian scriptures) is a book that is all about Jesus Christ.

The Tanakh (Old Testament) is not about Jesus at all. There are actually very, very few verses about the Messiah. The emphasis of the Tanakh is on obedience to the Law, not on Messianism. And in terms of the few prophecies that are actually there, Jesus didn't fulfill them.

 

[1213]

...You think the girls were asked for a certificate
if virginity from their doctors? What in the
bleedin' hell DO you think those soldiers did?...

I know only what the Bible tells. I don’t have any need to imagine something horrible. And especially, I think it would be wrong to accuse someone only on basis of my imaginary idea. I think it is evil and wrong to accuse others only on basis of their own imaginary thoughts.

 

[Audie]

I know only what the Bible tells. I don’t have any need to imagine something horrible. And especially, I think it would be wrong to accuse someone only on basis of my imaginary idea. I think it is evil and wrong to accuse others only on basis of their own imaginary thoughts.

You read it but can't tell what it says.

Maybe if you were one of the girls you'd
have gotten the idea.

 

[Onoma]

well,.....per the claims in the NT, Jesus is a " high priest "

" High priests " and deified " priest-kings " existed for quite some time prior to the Bible ( Deification of humans in literature starts with the Akkadians and predates the Torah by some 1,500+ years )

Priests in that time ( And for quite some time prior to the Bible ) had their own corpus of literature, which is considered " priestly literature "

The Torah is said to have multiple " priestly sources ", yet I've found very scant effort to relate the Torah's sources to the actual priestly literature that came from the corpus of priests in that era, which doesn't make any sense to me

Seems more like people wanting to avoid discussing the history of " priestly sources " in general so they can avoid addressing things properly and waffle on with literal interpretations that will never allow debates to be resolved ( Which is exactly what some want - no resolution or agreement )

I've grown rather bored of attempting to debate literalists that haven't bothered to study historical priestly literature and the various conventions of it

 

[Colt]

Claim: The Holy Bible in its entirety (i.e. both the Hebrew and Christian scriptures) is a book that is all about Jesus Christ.

Do you agree or disagree?

I heard someone claim this the other day and though it would be a good (and hopefully contentious) topic for RF

Disagree. It requires an overlaid theology to force the 66 Bible books to appear to be all about Jesus.

 

[Muffled]

Claim: The Holy Bible in its entirety (i.e. both the Hebrew and Christian scriptures) is a book that is all about Jesus Christ.

Do you agree or disagree?

I heard someone claim this the other day and though it would be a good (and hopefully contentious) topic for RF

I believe I don't see it that way. I believe the Bible is all about God's relationship to people.

 

[Muffled]

This is like Shakespeare's Julius Caesar; the pay is named after a character that gets killed early on, so why isn't it named (say) Mark Anthony.

Likewise The Bible, JC doesn't appear to the second half, so can it really be all about him?

I believe Causar was a central figure no matter how much he is in the play. Jesus as God in the flesh is also the central figure in the Bible since God is all though it.

 

[Muffled]

No. Only because Jews don't recognize Christ and they are the major authority on matters of the Old Testament.

I believe putting blinders on when it comes to Jesus does not qualify them as good witnesses.

 

[Audie]

I believe putting blinders on when it comes to Jesus does not qualify them as good witnesses.

Lotta difference of opinion who has the blinders.

 

[Altfish]

I believe Causar was a central figure no matter how much he is in the play. Jesus as God in the flesh is also the central figure in the Bible since God is all though it.

Brutus was the real central figure

 

[Twilight Hue]

I believe putting blinders on when it comes to Jesus does not qualify them as good witnesses.

I consider Jews far more authoritative than Christians on the writings of the Old Testament.

If they state Jesus has nothing to do with it, I'm inclined to take their word above anyone else's.

 

[Audie]

I think Bible is all about righteousness and love, to understand what that means and to make person righteous, because eternal life is promised for those who are righteous. And also, because, if person is righteous, he has right understanding which leads the person to do good things.

These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
Mat. 25:46

For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 6:23

He who does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. To this end the Son of God was revealed, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whoever is born of God doesn't commit sin, because his seed remains in him; and he can't sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are revealed, and the children of the devil. Whoever doesn't do righteousness is not of God, neither is he who doesn't love his brother.
1 John 3:7-10

Slave holding and inspescting girls
for virginity before deciding whether to kill
them is righteous?

 

[1213]

Slave holding and inspescting girls
for virginity before deciding whether to kill
them is righteous?

What would make that unrighteous?

I think death penalty is not wrong, if by God’s will.

I think slavery, by the rules Bible gives, is also not unrighteous. But modern slavery is not righteous. I think everyone who must pay taxes is a slave and it is wrong. I think China is a slave country for big companies and it is not right.

And, inspecting girls, its righteousness depends on how it is done.

 

[Muffled]

Lotta difference of opinion who has the blinders.

I believe in both cases there is a vested interest in seeing things the way they wish them to be. That is why I am glad to have the Holy Spirit as my guide because He speaks the truth.

 

[Muffled]

I consider Jews far more authoritative than Christians on the writings of the Old Testament.

If they state Jesus has nothing to do with it, I'm inclined to take their word above anyone else's.

I believe Jews can be helpful understanding language and culture but they are totally spiritually blind. I believe God is much more authoritative and I prefer His words to those of mere humans.

 

[Audie]

I believe in both cases there is a vested interest in seeing things the way they wish them to be. That is why I am glad to have the Holy Spirit as my guide because He speaks the truth.

Of course.
The Conspiracy.

Thing is, geologists etc don't set out
to mess with the Bible.
The earliest scientists who brought
doubt to the f,fact, story were Christian
flood believers, who were studying flood
geology in Scotland, but found there was
no way to reconcile what they found with
flood.
Being intellectually honest, they reported what they found for what it was.

Now, as I mentioned to another, if anyone,
Christian, atheist or China an, IF they
ever anywhere found anything that could
only mean flood, it would be the greatest
scientific discovery of all time.

The Nobel would be among the least of it.

Vested interest goes opposite to what you
are postulating.

SO FAR, any and all relevant data contradicts the flood story.

There is no shortage of devout Christians,
geologists and otherwise who recognize this
and can accept that the flood story is not
literally true. Neither is "Jesus is a door ", or a lamb.

FTM, assuming against all e idence that
one has infallible Bible interpreting skill
is a very dubious thing to do, no?

 

[2ndpillar]

Claim: The Holy Bible in its entirety (i.e. both the Hebrew and Christian scriptures) is a book that is all about Jesus Christ.

Do you agree or disagree?

I heard someone claim this the other day and though it would be a good (and hopefully contentious) topic for RF

The Law and the prophets, found in the OT of the bible, and the testimony of Yeshua, found in the NT of the bible, are about the kingdom of God which will reign in the 7th day, as imaged in the 4th commandment, the 7th millennium. Yeshua's message was to repent for the kingdom of "heaven" is at hand. The kingdom of heaven as referred to by Yeshua is the power and spirit of God as shown by his miracles during his lifetime. The kingdom of God, referred to by the prophets, would be the 7th millennium, whereas Israel will be God's sanctuary, and Israel will live on the land given to Jacob (Ezekiel 37) under king David. The results of not repenting, and turning to God, is the judgment of God coming down on Israel and others, such as Sodom and Gomorrah, or Nineveh. The judgment of the "end of the age" will be all the nations set forth in Daniel 2 will be crushed and then the kingdom will be set up. As per Revelation, we are now in the era of the 8th head of the beast, and destruction is in the wings, or at the door.