Is the Bible Allegorical or Literal?

[metis]

Probably the real problem is that seekers too often are looking for perfect religion and they think Christianity is just another religion, it’s not. Years ago I was confused and I was looking for the right religion and the true church. Thankfully, I didn’t find one…I found Jesus or rather I realized it was Jesus and Him alone that I needed. What a difference between religion and a relationship with Jesus Christ! I think perfection and real love is found only in Christ.

Except that Jesus did create a Church and put the Apostles in charge of keeping it going after he was gone.

 

[lukethethird]

I meant in science and in particular to my next sentence that you edited out - “The incredulous say it’s an extension from monkeys.” As a Christian I do know where consciousness comes from, that is from God. I used to be a foolish atheist.

Don't worry, no one would ever mistake you for an atheist or a scientist.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Look up the Haber process, the industrial process for making ammonia, made up of 4 atoms- 1 nitrogen and 3 hydrogen. Appreciate the effort that goes in for chemists to get the gases (reactants) to react.

Now consider human DNA which contains 23 chromosomes, containing about 8.5 billion atoms per chromosome. Humans will never be able to come anywhere close to making this from scratch. Everything in the physical world is made up of chemicals. They do not bump into each other haphazardly in nature and build up one by one into mega molecules like dna, even over billions of years. Think of atoms like Lego, they need a person to put them together. In reality chemicals are not like Lego, needing complex conditions each step to build simple molecules like the Haber process, each step.

No human knows, or will be able to know where consciousness comes from while breathing, that’s common sense. The incredulous say it’s an extension from monkeys.

I hope this helps you to understand God the Creator is the very logical answer, no incredulity no ignorance.

You doubled down on your argument from ignorance by making the level of your ignorance even clearer. The Haber process enabled making ammonia at an industrial level. We already knew how it was made naturally, where no intelligence was necessary. It appears that life arise on its own, naturally.. If life first appeared on an industrial level out of nothing you might have a good argument. But that is not what is observed.

 

[Audie]

Look up the Haber process, the industrial process for making ammonia, made up of 4 atoms- 1 nitrogen and 3 hydrogen. Appreciate the effort that goes in for chemists to get the gases (reactants) to react.

Now consider human DNA which contains 23 chromosomes, containing about 8.5 billion atoms per chromosome. Humans will never be able to come anywhere close to making this from scratch. Everything in the physical world is made up of chemicals. They do not bump into each other haphazardly in nature and build up one by one into mega molecules like dna, even over billions of years. Think of atoms like Lego, they need a person to put them together. In reality chemicals are not like Lego, needing complex conditions each step to build simple molecules like the Haber process, each step.

No human knows, or will be able to know where consciousness comes from while breathing, that’s common sense. The incredulous say it’s an extension from monkeys.

I hope this helps you to understand God the Creator is the very logical answer, no incredulity no ignorance.

Anyone ought to know that all manner of complex non living
organic molecules self assemble under a wide variety of
conditions.


Amino acids have been detected on comets!

What kind of “scientist” are you?

 

[Sand Dancer]

Um, no real evidence for what?

Any historian/anthropologist who showed that there was no way, say Exodus or Genesis events happened, would not be believed anyway.

 

[Apostle John]

Anyone ought to know that all manner of complex non living
organic molecules self assemble under a wide variety of
conditions.


Amino acids have been detected on comets!

What kind of “scientist” are you?

Detected using a probe. I have experienced God manipulating electronic equipment. In any case complex organic molecules in nature are made by God. You, and the poster immediately above you, need to prove your theories under laboratory conditions of both molecules and life self assembling.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Detected using a probe. I have experienced God manipulating electronic equipment. In any case complex organic molecules in nature are made by God. You, and the poster immediately above you, need to prove your theories under laboratory conditions of both molecules and life self assembling.

Audie may be a bit confused. Or she may be right. I do know that amino acids have been found in meteorites.

If you know that complex organic molecules are made by God you need to be able to prove it. If you do not know all that you have is a weak belief. And it needs to be taken as seriously as the homeless guy's belief that he is a toad.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

“The incredulous say it’s an extension from monkeys.”

 

[Audie]

Detected using a probe. I have experienced God manipulating electronic equipment. In any case complex organic molecules in nature are made by God. You, and the poster immediately above you, need to prove your theories under laboratory conditions of both molecules and life self assembling.

Ok, you’ve seen god using a probe. Right.
I’m exiting at this point.
Wishing you a speedy recovery.

 

[Audie]

One of the great creolines of all time

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

One of the great creolines of all time

I've been doing genealogy for some time now but, so far, I've yet to find a single Creole ancestor willing to share his or her identity and recipes.

 

[Audie]

Any historian/anthropologist who showed that there was no way, say Exodus or Genesis events happened, would not be believed anyway.

Probably no dentist did either.

A physicist, geologist or biologist could point to
proof a thousand times over that there was no flood ,

insensible people believe. anyway

 

[Audie]

I've been doing genealogy for some time now but, so far, I've yet to find a single Creole ancestor willing to share his or her identity and recipes.

CREatiOnist

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Look up the Haber process, the industrial process for making ammonia, made up of 4 atoms- 1 nitrogen and 3 hydrogen. Appreciate the effort that goes in for chemists to get the gases (reactants) to react.

Now consider human DNA which contains 23 chromosomes, containing about 8.5 billion atoms per chromosome. Humans will never be able to come anywhere close to making this from scratch. Everything in the physical world is made up of chemicals. They do not bump into each other haphazardly in nature and build up one by one into mega molecules like dna, even over billions of years. Think of atoms like Lego, they need a person to put them together. In reality chemicals are not like Lego, needing complex conditions each step to build simple molecules like the Haber process, each step.

No human knows, or will be able to know where consciousness comes from while breathing, that’s common sense. The incredulous say it’s an extension from monkeys.

I hope this helps you to understand God the Creator is the very logical answer, no incredulity no ignorance.

Thanks for the response.

 

[Audie]

Thanks for the response.

Who knew NH3 was one nitrogen and three oxygen

I remember a T A in a freshman chem lab class looking for the
NH3, as listed in the manual..
He’d have been sorry if he found some!

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Who knew NH3 was one nitrogen and three oxygen

I remember a T A in a freshman chem lab class looking for the
NH3, as listed in the manual..
He’d have been sorry if he found some!

I got the answer I expected and it was enough. No need to catalyze further reactions.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

The needle on my crank detector is in the “Turbo-Boost” sector.

Mine broke.

 

[1213]

Because it is the job of historians to look for evidence. Why choose against those who want to find out information vs stories from thousands of years ago when we didn't know as much?

The problem with historians is, they really don't have much anything substantial and then they make all kind of claims with almost nothing. I think it is an arrogant belief to think we now can know more about the historical events than what the people who lived then knew. But, this doesn't mean all ancient words are necessary true. I just think that modern people know almost nothing about ancient times.

 

[1213]

...But in response to your “please”, there is the flood story, disproved more ways than easily counted. The presence of polar ice predating any possible flood date, is one.

Ok, thanks. I didn't expect much, but I am still disappointed. I expected some proof, but all you gave is a modern belief.

 

[Audie]

Ok, thanks. I didn't expect much, but I am still disappointed. I expected some proof, but all you gave is a modern belief.

I suppose you prefer the old beliefs about night air,
evil spirits, witchcraft as disease agents over the “modern
belief” that germs are somehow involved.

Gotta give you credit though, that is quite an original
way to hand wave the fact of polar ice predating any flood.

Usually it’s something about how it formed after the “ flood”.

But you have the key to disproving all of science. Relabel it
“ belief” and call it modern.

Could you identify the cutoff point, what year “ modern” (invalid)
knowledge started?