42,000 year old flutes. Sorry books are way new and tend to manifest self importance. Music is old old old, books are new new new!!! So what exactly is the word of god 42,000 years ago? Btw Nietzsche sucks he was a classicalist.
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Is the Bible God's Word?
- Thread starter Rajagopalanchandu
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Aldrnari
Active Member
Tell that to the people belonging to tribes here who were forced to grow up in christian boarding schools, and were punished whenever they spoke of the spirits, or any other such "pagan" things. Many of their traditions are lost forever because of it, but hey, at least all those reservations are full of churches now!
As for atheism as a forced belief, ok. I agree that forcing people on their beliefs is terrible no matter who is doing it. Let's not pretend they come anywhere CLOSE to the amount of people subjugated under the banner of christianity, though. THAT is how Christianity has prospered as it has.
The religious freedom we see now certainly wouldn't exist under a christian theocracy- no matter if it was Catholic or evangelical. Hell, evangelicals want to force people to include god in everything we do (such as the pledge of allegiance, which originally didn't include god), whether we want it or not.
Edit: That said, to your point, I agree state enforced belief structures are an an evil thing; secular, or religious.
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james bond
Well-Known Member
My word is God's word?
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
If you believe that God's word was yanked from the butts of ancient savages, sure.
WalterTrull
Godfella
Actually, yup. Strange ain't it.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
And Beiber outsells Beethoven.
Buddha Dharma
Dharma Practitioner
1) Which god?
2) It doesn't ultimately appear anything other than the product of Bronze Age shepherds. If you ask me...
QuestioningMind
Well-Known Member
How conveniently delusional for them.
QuestioningMind
Well-Known Member
Let's hope not. If it is, it indicates that God is a horribly incompetent communicator.
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anonymous9887
bible reader
Yes the bible is god's word
Evidence
#1 It has the best principals to live by. If god is the creator of all things he should know everything about everything, he should know and does know how humans can have the best possible life now, and a better future later.
# 2 the bible is in harmony with science. the creator of the universe should be able to provide facts we did not or do not have access to obtaining on our own. A few examples:
- Isaiah 40:22 earth is a sphere
- Job 26:7 earth is suspended upon nothing
-Leviticus 13 and 14 Isolating sick people
- Numbers 19:11,19 washing after touching a dead body
- Genesis 9:4 life is in the blood
There is several more, the point being is these writers contradicted popular ideas at the time, and they were correct. so they had to have divine assistance
#3 Fulfilled Prophecy
- Tyre
- Babylon
- Nineveh
- Cyrus the great
Tons of prophecies that are very precise
# 4 is the availability of scripture. If god has a book that he inspired, it doesnt matter how much people try to stop its distribution god would not allow it to fail. this book has withstood massive amounts of persecution and yet today it is the most widely distributed and translated book in the world. coincidence? I dont think so.
Evidence
#1 It has the best principals to live by. If god is the creator of all things he should know everything about everything, he should know and does know how humans can have the best possible life now, and a better future later.
# 2 the bible is in harmony with science. the creator of the universe should be able to provide facts we did not or do not have access to obtaining on our own. A few examples:
- Isaiah 40:22 earth is a sphere
- Job 26:7 earth is suspended upon nothing
-Leviticus 13 and 14 Isolating sick people
- Numbers 19:11,19 washing after touching a dead body
- Genesis 9:4 life is in the blood
There is several more, the point being is these writers contradicted popular ideas at the time, and they were correct. so they had to have divine assistance
#3 Fulfilled Prophecy
- Tyre
- Babylon
- Nineveh
- Cyrus the great
Tons of prophecies that are very precise
# 4 is the availability of scripture. If god has a book that he inspired, it doesnt matter how much people try to stop its distribution god would not allow it to fail. this book has withstood massive amounts of persecution and yet today it is the most widely distributed and translated book in the world. coincidence? I dont think so.
Yep. You are Brahman in essence. Some flames are obscured by smoke while others burn clean and bright.. but all are fire nonetheless.
anonymous9887
bible reader
How so? if you dont mind my asking.
Rajina
Member
According to what Qur'an says, original form of Bible was Word of God
Skwim
Veteran Member
Ah yes, popularity, the true measure of verity, which is why the flat earth theory and geocentrism are as strong as ever.
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Skwim
Veteran Member
Meaning what, that the Bible existed back in ol' early Genesis days?
Which, I imagine, is all the stuff that doesn't line up with your theology.
Which you know to be a fact because ________________________________________________________________ .
One of the chosen people being you, I take it.
Even all those "wash your mouth out with soap words"?
And one should believe the Qur'an because ________________________________________________________________ .
Nice non sequitur.
And who's to say this isn't what god is?................Well, I guess there are plenty, but they're not god so why should they be believed?
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Skwim
Veteran Member
Like, "but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also."
Yeah, good advice.
OR the principle of acquired invulnerability through belief.
"And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover."
Yeah, good advice.
# 2 the bible is in harmony with science. the creator of the universe should be able to provide facts we did not or do not have access to obtaining on our own. A few examples:
- Isaiah 40:22 earth is a sphere[/quote]
Hate to break it to you but a circle (the description given in the verse) is not a sphere.
Actually, the Earth is suspended, held in place, by the gravitational force of the Sun in conjunction with the earth's centrifugal force.
So what? Isolating people with leprosy, the affliction mentioned in Leviticus, isn't a product of some privileged understanding, but arose out of the simple observation that it's communicable. No more a result of special knowledge than realizing that rocks thrown into the air always fall back to earth.
And the reason? Because one would be spiritually unclean. Not a thing to do with physical cleanliness: "That clean person must do this for anyone who touches a dead body, its bones, or even a grave." (Try reading Numbers 19:1-10)
Like tossing rocks into the air, this was all too obvious. People who lost too much blood died. Simple as that. People back then weren't dolts, you know.
From what I've explained to you, obviously not.
Thing is, just because science determines the whys and wherefores of some circumstance doesn't mean that circumstance had to have been unknowable. Just because science can tell us how maple sap becomes sweet and is good for us doesn't mean it should be surprising that prior to this primitive people found it sweet and good for them. And, as far as the harmony of the Bible and science goes, it's considerable disharmony speaks far louder.
"Here God explicitly states that Nebuchadnezzar would completely sack and destroy the city of Tyre and that Tyre's land would never be built upon again. However, this never occurred. After a 13-year siege, Tyre compromised with Nebuchadnezzar and accepted his authority without being destroyed. Despite being conquered and razed by Alexander the Great 240 years later, Tyre still exists."
Source: Wikipedia
Just what prophecy are you talking about, its destruction? If so you'll have to come up with chapter and verse that specifically prophesizes it.
Addressing these will likely prove just as fruitless so I'm not going to bother.
A purely subjective standard, which doesn't mean bupkis. Although, because you bring up god's desire that the Bible not fail, it might be well to consider how many have rejected Christianity because of the Bible's faults, real or imagined. The book failed god in its purpose to bring these prospective people into the fold, and, in fact, helped drive them away.
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Axe Elf
Prophet
If an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, omnibenevolent God exists, then yes, one can make a pretty good case that the Bible is a book of spiritual truths inspired by that God for the enlightenment of those who seek Him.
If no such God exists, then no, of course not, what, are you crazy?
If no such God exists, then no, of course not, what, are you crazy?
WalterTrull
Godfella
The word of God is what creates everything that is. Nothing to do with time or when the bible existed. If the bible is, the word of God creates it.
Uhmm... yup.
We're kind of talking at cross purposes here. You're talking about a very powerful being of some sort. I'm talking about the structure of the universe, why and how it is.
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No. It contains God's word but there are sections which aren't God's word.
What else is new?
No. It contains God's word but there are sections which aren't God's word.
What else is new?