is the christian god pro-choice?

[blackout]

As a shoot off of another thread,
I ask the question...

Is the christian god pro-choice?

If the christian god gave us free will
and does not forceably interviene
to keep people from choosing what he deems to be evil
is this not an obvious display
that he is FOR people making their own choices?

 

[Scott1]

Is the christian god pro-choice?

I don't believe God supports the killing of unborn children.

If the christian god gave us free will
and does not forceably interviene
to keep people from choosing what he deems to be evil
is this not an obvious display
that he is FOR people making their own choices?

The exercise of freedom does not imply a right to say or do everything. It is false to maintain that man, "the subject of this freedom," is "an individual who is fully self-sufficient and whose finality is the satisfaction of his own interests in the enjoyment of earthly goods." Moreover, the economic, social, political, and cultural conditions that are needed for a just exercise of freedom are too often disregarded or violated. Such situations of blindness and injustice injure the moral life and involve the strong as well as the weak in the temptation to sin against charity. By deviating from the moral law man violates his own freedom, becomes imprisoned within himself, disrupts neighborly fellowship, and rebels against divine truth.
CCC #1740

 

[Halcyon]

As a shoot off of another thread,
I ask the question...

Is the christian god pro-choice?

If the christian god gave us free will
and does not forceably interviene
to keep people from choosing what he deems to be evil
is this not an obvious display
that he is FOR people making their own choices?

According to the didache, no He is not.

 

[Wandered Off]

Some of the stories I learned in the fundamentalist churches of my youth make it seem as if he's for people making choices and then punishing them for the ones he didn't like... "Here's free will, but if you wander outside my will, you're toast." I realize that's not a universal Christian concept by any means, though.

 

[ChristineES]

That is a question I could not answer biblically, there is nothing really in the bible about abortion. I would assume God thinks all lives are precious including those not born yet, but that is just my personal belief and I can't prove it biblically.

 

[Scuba Pete]

I somehow doubt that God would ever be a strong advocate for abortion unless the mother's life is in danger. That is pure speculation on my part. While I would never suppose to tell a woman how she should act in this situation, I must admit to being repulsed by the idea. Why create a life, only to destroy it? Why not exercise safe sex or abstinence and prevent it from happening in the first place?

 

[kai]

As a shoot off of another thread,
I ask the question...

Is the christian god pro-choice?

If the christian god gave us free will
and does not forceably interviene
to keep people from choosing what he deems to be evil
is this not an obvious display
that he is FOR people making their own choices?

yes he is pro choice ,two choices actually, believe or spend eternity in hellfire,

 

[Fluffy]

Is the christian god pro-choice?

I think that the Christian God is generally against abortion but I am unsure whether it would allow abortion in some circumstances. For example, I'm not sure whether abortion would be allowed if the mother's life is in danger.

If the christian god gave us free will
and does not forceably interviene
to keep people from choosing what he deems to be evil
is this not an obvious display
that he is FOR people making their own choices?

Pro-choice in what sense? If God exists then it appears to want us to make our own decisions. However, it also seems like we should decide to protect others when bad decisions are made.

In this case, abortion affects the child and so it seems reasonable that we should have some restrictions on it.

 

[Booko]

I have no idea. I searched for "abortion" in the Gospels and didn't find anything there.

So I'd rather not speculate.

 

[kai]

is pro choice just about abortion then i thought ultraviolet meant pro-choice in general, never mind back to my abacus

 

[Halcyon]

I have no idea. I searched for "abortion" in the Gospels and didn't find anything there.

Not in the Gospels, but in the Didache which was written by Christians around 50AD as a sort of guidebook for new converts;

The second commandment of the Teaching: "Do not murder; do not commit adultery"; do not corrupt boys; do not fornicate; "do not steal"; do not practice magic; do not go in for sorcery; do not murder a child by abortion or kill a newborn infant. "Do not covet your neighbor's property; do not commit perjury; do not bear false witness"; do not slander; do not bear grudges. Do not be double-minded or double-tongued, for a double tongue is "a deadly snare." Your words shall not be dishonest or hollow, but substantiated by action. Do not be greedy or extortionate or hypocritical or malicious or arrogant. Do not plot against your neighbor. Do not hate anybody; but reprove some, pray for others, and still others love more than your own life.

If it's in the Didache it can be reasonably assumed that it was a widespread and agreed upon concept in the early Christian community that abortion was un-Christian and thus against God.

 

[SoyLeche]

As a shoot off of another thread,
I ask the question...

Is the christian god pro-choice?

If the christian god gave us free will
and does not forceably interviene
to keep people from choosing what he deems to be evil
is this not an obvious display
that he is FOR people making their own choices?

Choice and Accountability go together. We can choose to do pretty much whatever we want. There are consequences (both positive and negative) to the choices we make though.

 

[blackout]

is pro choice just about abortion then i thought ultraviolet meant pro-choice in general, never mind back to my abacus

No, actually you, Wandered off and fluffy were the most on
(oops... and SoyLeche too)
in TERMS of what I was getting at.

Pro Choice = For Choice.

I'm speaking of abortion only in a "tongue in cheek" kind of way,
as it is culturally connected to the more literally inclusive meaning of "pro" "choice".
but STILL I am genuinely interested in what other individuals
"read" into this.

 

[Wandered Off]

Pro Choice = For Choice.

Another interesting variation comes with certain Christian views of the afterlife, in which there can be no sin in Heaven. That would imply removal of choice, meaning that free will was supplied only during the tiny mortal portion of our existence when we had the least amount of information to use it wisely - and when the consequences of misusing it are the worst. This strikes me as misguided.

I realize that some Christians believe in post-mortal free will, though, so it's not a universal view at all.

 

[SoyLeche]

Another interesting variation comes with certain Christian views of the afterlife, in which there can be no sin in Heaven. That would imply removal of choice.

I'm not sure I agree with that. There can be choice, but everybody makes the right choices.

For example - I'm not entirely sure that God "can't" lie (for example), but I believe whole heartedly that he "won't".

Then again, speculating about what Heaven will be like is pretty much an exercize in futility. We'll find out when we get there

 

[blackout]

I'm not entirely sure that God "can't" lie (for example), but I believe whole heartedly that he "won't".

God has no need to lie.
"He" is the master of clever concealment.

"He" can also count on the fact that we will lie to ourselves,
thus doing the job for him.

(no one fall apart now, I'm just JOKING. well, sort of. maybe not. lol.)

 

[McBell]

As a shoot off of another thread,
I ask the question...

Is the christian god pro-choice?

If the christian god gave us free will
and does not forceably interviene
to keep people from choosing what he deems to be evil
is this not an obvious display
that he is FOR people making their own choices?

I learned from another thread that you are either pro-choice or pro-life.
One or the other.
You cannot be both.
Period.
Here is the link:
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/religious-debates/64918-im-against-abortion-myself-but.html

Now given the Biblical Gods accumulative death count....

 

[Wandered Off]

I'm not sure I agree with that. There can be choice, but everybody makes the right choices.

Should've done it that way here! Then we wouldn't have to worry about Hell or sin... Yeah, I know Mormons in particular have a more robust view of the afterlife than some other denominations.

Then again, if all our choices will conform with God's will, what's the point of having free will at all?

 

[blackout]

There can be choice, but everybody makes the right choices.

I don't want to make 'right" choices.
I want to make DYNAMIC & WONDERFUL choices!!!

An eternity of morality??! OH ACK!
I'm lookin' at an eternity of mystery and adventure.

(yes, I KNOW they're not mutually exclusive,
but it's a MIND SET kind of thing, ya know?)

 

[SoyLeche]

I don't want to make 'right" choices.
I want to make DYNAMIC & WONDERFUL choices!!!

An eternity of morality??! OH ACK!
I'm lookin' at an eternity of mystery and adventure.

(yes, I KNOW they're not mutually exclusive,
but it's a MIND SET kind of thing, ya know?)

You may well get what you want