Is the entire Bible the word of God or it is only contains the words of God?

[JoePeace7]

I just came to question, whether if the entire Bible as we know it today is the word of God , or only it is contains the word of God.

I have no doubt , for example about the words of Jesus, and the passages starting with : "Thus says the Lord God" these are for sure the words of God in my mind.

But what about other passages written by individuals (mere men sometimes by their own heart or own understanding) (Luke 1:3) , and historical accounts that doesn't appear to be coming from the mouth of God directly. Are they the words of God too?

So would that be more appropriate to say that the Bible as we know it today contains the words of God but not all of it literally is ?

In 2 Timothy 3:17 Paul says that " all scriptures inspired by God" (ESV)
What did he mean exactly by "all scriptures" ?

Even if so, the phrase "inspired by God" doesn't necessarily suggests that
it is the word of God, at least in my opinion.

What everyone else think?

 

[Shiranui117]

I just came to question, whether if the entire Bible as we know it today is the word of God , or only it is contains the word of God.

Both are true--depending on what you mean by "the word of God."

But what about other passages written by individuals (mere men sometimes by their own heart or own understanding) (Luke 1:3) , and historical accounts that doesn't appear to be coming from the mouth of God directly. Are they the words of God too?

In what sense? It seems to me that you answered that question yourself

So would that be more appropriate to say that the Bible as we know it today contains the words of God but not all of it literally is ?

CORRECT! :yes:

In 2 Timothy 3:17 Paul says that " all scriptures inspired by God" (ESV)
What did he mean exactly by "all scriptures" ?

They each have their lessons and experiences that give us a better understanding of Who God is, and the history of man's relationship with Him, in all its ugliness, beauty, rejection and repentance.

Even if so, the phrase "inspired by God" doesn't necessarily suggests that it is the word of God, at least in my opinion.

Also correct, in the sense that it didn't come directly from God's mouth to our ears.

 

[jtartar]

I just came to question, whether if the entire Bible as we know it today is the word of God , or only it is contains the word of God.

I have no doubt , for example about the words of Jesus, and the passages starting with : "Thus says the Lord God" these are for sure the words of God in my mind.

But what about other passages written by individuals (mere men sometimes by their own heart or own understanding) (Luke 1:3) , and historical accounts that doesn't appear to be coming from the mouth of God directly. Are they the words of God too?

So would that be more appropriate to say that the Bible as we know it today contains the words of God but not all of it literally is ?

In 2 Timothy 3:17 Paul says that " all scriptures inspired by God" (ESV)
What did he mean exactly by "all scriptures" ?

Even if so, the phrase "inspired by God" doesn't necessarily suggests that
it is the word of God, at least in my opinion.

What everyone else think?

JoePeace,
Paul said that all acripture is inspired by God, 2Tim 3:16. Peter goes a little farther by saying that men spoke from God as they were born along by the Holy Spirit, 2Pet 1:20,21.
Samuel writes a little more at 2Sam 23:2, where he says that the Spirit of Jehovah spoke by me, and His word was upon my tongue.
More is spoken by the Bible to show that God's word can be relied on, Ps 12:6,7. Notice that here it is talking about the words that are refined. Prov 30:5,6, which says that EVERY WORD is tried. Isa 40:8, says that the word of God stands forever, and 1Pet 1:25, which is a quote of Isa 40:8, and adds to it.
The most important thing to remember is; in my mind is; Jesus said that God's word is truth, John 17:17.
In spite of all the so-called Higher Critics, nothing written in the Bible has ever been found to be wrong, whether spiritual things social things or scientific things.
When some has claimed to have found something wrong in the Bible, they had to later admit they were wrong. I write from the American Standard Bible, which many think is the one that follows most closely the Original Autographs.

 

[Pegg]

I just came to question, whether if the entire Bible as we know it today is the word of God , or only it is contains the word of God.

I have no doubt , for example about the words of Jesus, and the passages starting with : "Thus says the Lord God" these are for sure the words of God in my mind.

But what about other passages written by individuals (mere men sometimes by their own heart or own understanding) (Luke 1:3) , and historical accounts that doesn't appear to be coming from the mouth of God directly. Are they the words of God too?

So would that be more appropriate to say that the Bible as we know it today contains the words of God but not all of it literally is ?

In 2 Timothy 3:17 Paul says that " all scriptures inspired by God" (ESV)
What did he mean exactly by "all scriptures" ?

Even if so, the phrase "inspired by God" doesn't necessarily suggests that
it is the word of God, at least in my opinion.

What everyone else think?

Paul was speaking of the Hebrew scriptures...'all scripture' in his day were the Torah, Psalms the writings and the prophets of the Hebrew scriptures (traditional Jewish canon, not apochrypha)

What makes the writings 'inspired of God' is that those who wrote them were either given divine guidance in writing the messages, or they were given visions in which they put to paper.... how they worded the visions they saw were in their own words, but the visions were given them by God. For example we often see the phrase "take a scroll and write what you see" ...sometimes the prophet would write out the vision and would even state that they themselves did not understand the vision, or they became frightened by the vision....this shows that some of the wording is their own thoughts.

The main thing to know is that the men who wrote the scriptures were servants of God, men chosen for the task of delivering a message...they had Gods spirit upon them and for that reason, what they wrote is said to be under direction of holy spirit or by inspiration.

 

[OurCreed]

The Bible today is different than the Bibles of the past.

The entire Bible is not the word of God, however, there are parts within the Bible that are words of God, but they are mixed in with words from MEN, and study has to be done on each individual verse and its history to determine its authenticity.

 

[Reverend Richard]

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So would that be more appropriate to say that the Bible as we know it today contains the words of God but not all of it literally is ?

In 2 Timothy 3:17 Paul says that " all scriptures inspired by God" (ESV)
What did he mean exactly by "all scriptures" ?

Even if so, the phrase "inspired by God" doesn't necessarily suggests that
it is the word of God, at least in my opinion.

What everyone else think?

All scripture, whether the Torah, New Testament, Quran, the Book of Mormon, are all approximations. They are what men thought, said or wrote about who God is. But that's all they can be - approximations.

God never wrote a single word of scripture, neither did Jesus, nor Mohammad. All we have are writings that are second or third hand accounts, but never written in the hand of the Source.

 

[Obsrvr]

I don't think it's either. I think books like the Bible, the Koran and the Torah are only history books. They are the product of the minds of men with an agenda.

The books of Eastern philosophy are far more appealing. They aren't mired in doom and gloom.

 

[Reverend Richard]

I don't think it's either. I think books like the Bible, the Koran and the Torah are only history books.

And not entirely accurate as history.

They are the product of the minds of men with an agenda.

True.

The books of Eastern philosophy are far more appealing. They aren't mired in doom and gloom.

This is certainly true.

 

[OurCreed]

I don't think it's either. I think books like the Bible, the Koran and the Torah are only history books. They are the product of the minds of men with an agenda.

The books of Eastern philosophy are far more appealing. They aren't mired in doom and gloom.

'Product of the minds of men with an agenda'.

The Qur'an was written by an illiterate uneducated man? Is that what you are saying!?

 

[rusra02]

I just came to question, whether if the entire Bible as we know it today is the word of God , or only it is contains the word of God.

I have no doubt , for example about the words of Jesus, and the passages starting with : "Thus says the Lord God" these are for sure the words of God in my mind.

But what about other passages written by individuals (mere men sometimes by their own heart or own understanding) (Luke 1:3) , and historical accounts that doesn't appear to be coming from the mouth of God directly. Are they the words of God too?

So would that be more appropriate to say that the Bible as we know it today contains the words of God but not all of it literally is ?

In 2 Timothy 3:17 Paul says that " all scriptures inspired by God" (ESV)
What did he mean exactly by "all scriptures" ?

Even if so, the phrase "inspired by God" doesn't necessarily suggests that
it is the word of God, at least in my opinion.

What everyone else think?

Jesus believed in and taught the Hebrew Scriptures, frequenting quoting from them to make his point clear. The word rendered "inspired" at 2 Timothy 3:16 literally means God-breathed. The Bible says that "Men spoke from God as they were borne along by Holy Spirit. I think the facts speak for themselves.

 

[FirewithFire]

To speak of the "bible" as a single entity is a mistake. It is well-known that it is not a book but a collection of hand-picked works put together by men with an agenda. It contains errors and contradictions that anyone with an open mind can see.

 

[jtartar]

I just came to question, whether if the entire Bible as we know it today is the word of God , or only it is contains the word of God.

I have no doubt , for example about the words of Jesus, and the passages starting with : "Thus says the Lord God" these are for sure the words of God in my mind.

But what about other passages written by individuals (mere men sometimes by their own heart or own understanding) (Luke 1:3) , and historical accounts that doesn't appear to be coming from the mouth of God directly. Are they the words of God too?

So would that be more appropriate to say that the Bible as we know it today contains the words of God but not all of it literally is ?

In 2 Timothy 3:17 Paul says that " all scriptures inspired by God" (ESV)
What did he mean exactly by "all scriptures" ?

Even if so, the phrase "inspired by God" doesn't necessarily suggests that
it is the word of God, at least in my opinion.

What everyone else think?

JoePeace7,
You have asked a very good question!!!
What are called the Original Autographs were inerrant!! Enen though all the words written were not God's words, He inspired the words to be written and made sure that they were true. That is why it is recorded in the Holy Scriptures that ALL scripture is inspired by God, 2Tim 3:16,17. There are two kinds of inspiration, Verbal and Plenary. Verbal means that Jehovah said certain words and they were recorded exactly as He said them. Plenary inspiration means that Jehovah put Hid idea within the person and allowed him to use his own words, making sure they were true.
Today, there are many translations, some have changed the meaning of some of the words, these are not inspired translations, wven though the message from God has not been adulterated. God Himself has promised to protect His word forever, Ps 12:6,7, 1Pet 1:25, 2Pet 1:20,21. Jesus himself said that God's word is truth, John 17:17. The disciples had the whole Hebrew Scriptures in their day. The APOSTLES, in the first century were the recognized avenue of the word of God, and they kept the Greek Scriptures inerrant when written. Today, it cannot be said that all the words in all these translations are inspired by God, but the message from God is still true and can be relied upon more that any book ever written.
Many manuscripts have been found, some being lost for centuries. When compared with translations that had been translated many times, it was found that there were NO important mistakes, almost exclusively being names and numbers, or enen names of places. Most of these can be explained by the use of several different languages in the same places.
If you are worried about the truth of God's word, you can rest assured that God has kept His word unadulterated, otherwise He could not judge the world, Rom 3:5,6.

 

[Reverend Rick]

I'm still trying to wrap my head around how we know exactly if every word is God inspired when we can't even agree on who the author of some books where.

 

[Quagmire]

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[Call_of_the_Wild]

I just came to question, whether if the entire Bible as we know it today is the word of God , or only it is contains the word of God.

I have no doubt , for example about the words of Jesus, and the passages starting with : "Thus says the Lord God" these are for sure the words of God in my mind.

But what about other passages written by individuals (mere men sometimes by their own heart or own understanding) (Luke 1:3) , and historical accounts that doesn't appear to be coming from the mouth of God directly. Are they the words of God too?

So would that be more appropriate to say that the Bible as we know it today contains the words of God but not all of it literally is ?

In 2 Timothy 3:17 Paul says that " all scriptures inspired by God" (ESV)
What did he mean exactly by "all scriptures" ?

Even if so, the phrase "inspired by God" doesn't necessarily suggests that
it is the word of God, at least in my opinion.

What everyone else think?

It is the word of God in the sense that if God read the whole bible from front to back, he would say "this is exactly how I would have put it".