Is the evolutionary doctrine a racist doctrine?

[Pogo]

Can someone tell me clearly how the hypothesis of chromosome fusion that evolutionists attribute to some ape can answer my questions?

Did chromosomes merge over millions of years until a 24-pair ape became a 23-pair human?

Have they a low level of logical understanding or they're just pretending?

It is not that we can't answer you, we have many times. You just refuse to accept them and like a three year old in the back seat just repeat them.
fusions happen all the time, they do not necessarily cause sterility and since all the genetic data is still there the fusee can still mate and some of the offspring will have the fused pair. the rest is basically population genetics. If you want to make it follow your A+E story, they were brother and sister from a fused mother or some similar event like son and mother, whatever you want.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

DNA does not transform from parents with 24 pairs of chromosomes (apes) to DNA in children with 23 chromosomes (humans) in millions of years.

Actually, exactly that is what happened.

It means that either the common ancestor of humans and the other apes had 23 pairs of chromosomes and one of them split, or that the common ancestor had 24 pairs, and in humans two of the fused.

 

[Eli G]

For those who don't know much about it, each gene determines certain physical characteristics and brain capacities of the individual. Practically each gene help create three proteins that the specific kind of body need to function properly. When the chromosomes change their normal arrangement, it is considered an anomaly that makes the specimen not a normal individual within the population.

If an ape ever changed its chromosome count, that was not an advance on its path to bringing its offspring closer to humans, but rather a backwardness, an abnormality that would surely have caused many problems in the survival of that individual and/or its offspring, which would be completely abnormal if survived, such as dwarfism, gigantism, Down syndrome and other genetic abnormalities. These changes were never and will never be favorable for the human species and its normal physical-intellectual development.

Imagine the effects that morphological and brain changes would have had on apes who were supposedly experiencing chromosomal abnormalities for millions of years...they say. That wouldn't turn an ape descendant into a human, but into some disabled ape. If we compare humans with apes, it is evident that we lack nothing because we have 23 pairs of chromosomes instead of the apes' 24 pairs, nor are they superior to us because they have a greater number.

There are about 3 proteins that each of the about 30,000 genes help create for our internal biological needs and anatomical configuration. Each chromosome has between hundreds and thousands of genes that carry out that immense internal work that very few know about.

Think about the fictitious event in which apes begin to lose genes that they need to remain biologically fit,... They have 48 chromosomes, while humans have 46, so there would be a loss of capabilities, not gains. Would defective apes become humans?

On the other hand, there is no real scenario where for millions of years apes are experiencing anomalies that would become the norm and would be favorable for entire populations of descendants.

Evolutionists are very fanciful. They have lost objectivity.

 

[Pogo]

For those who don't know much about it, each gene determines certain physical characteristics and brain capacities of the individual. Practically each gene help create three proteins that the specific kind of body need to function properly. When the chromosomes change their normal arrangement, it is considered an anomaly that makes the specimen not a normal individual within the population.

If an ape ever changed its chromosome count, that was not an advance on its path to bringing its offspring closer to humans, but rather a backwardness, an abnormality that would surely have caused many problems in the survival of that individual and/or its offspring, which would be completely abnormal if survived, such as dwarfism, gigantism, Down syndrome and other genetic abnormalities. These changes were never and will never be favorable for the human species and its normal physical-intellectual development.

Imagine the effects that morphological and brain changes would have had on apes who were supposedly experiencing chromosomal abnormalities for millions of years...they say. That wouldn't turn an ape descendant into a human, but into some disabled ape. If we compare humans with apes, it is evident that we lack nothing because we have 23 pairs of chromosomes instead of the apes' 24 pairs, nor are they superior to us because they have a greater number.

There are about 3 proteins that each of the about 30,000 genes help create for our internal biological needs and anatomical configuration. Each chromosome has between hundreds and thousands of genes that carry out that immense internal work that very few know about.

Think about the fictitious event in which apes begin to lose genes that they need to remain biologically fit,... They have 48 chromosomes, while humans have 46, so there would be a loss of capabilities, not gains. Would defective apes become humans?

On the other hand, there is no real scenario where for millions of years apes are experiencing anomalies that would become the norm and would be favorable for entire populations of descendants.

Evolutionists are very fanciful. They have lost objectivity.

Where did you dig up this pile of nonsense?
I don't think there is anything in it that is correct.
It is not even a strawman, it is just plain wrong.

 

[Eli G]

FYI, hormonal diseases are closely related to genes. The genes encode hormones, hormone receptors, hormone precursors, and molecules necessary for hormone synthesis, transport, and elimination.

Genes are related to the formation of the entire body of an individual: its physical configuration, the arrangement and functioning of its internal organs, the ability to respond to external changes, the instincts and unconditioned responses acquired from our ancestors, brain capacity, . .. ... ...

When there is a chromosomal or genetic condition, many things go wrong in the body. The Bible explains that because of Adam's disobedience, our makeup changed and we began to inherit defects that cause us natural death.

So even without so much detail, the Bible informs us in a very simple way about many discoveries that have only been discovered today.

 

[Pogo]

FYI, hormonal diseases are closely related to genes. The genes encode hormones, hormone receptors, hormone precursors, and molecules necessary for hormone synthesis, transport, and elimination.

Genes are related to the formation of the entire body of an individual: its physical configuration, the arrangement and functioning of its internal organs, the ability to respond to external changes, the instincts and unconditioned responses acquired from our ancestors, brain capacity, . .. ... ...

When there is a chromosomal or genetic condition, many things go wrong in the body. The Bible explains that because of Adam's disobedience, our makeup changed and we began to inherit defects that cause us natural death.

So even without so much detail, the Bible informs us in a very simple way about many discoveries that have only been discovered today.

Seriously Eli, this discussion is about chromosome numbers not genes. Go find yourself a tenth grader that has taken an introductory bio course and they can begin to clear up some of your misunderstandings. You are not telling us anything that we don't know, but you are telling us that your knowledge of genetics is so poor that it is no surprise that nothing you say makes any sense in terms of the discussion at hand.

So even without so much detail, the Onion informs us in a very simple way about many discoveries that have only been discovered today.

 

[Eli G]

Anyone who has no idea what DNA, chromosomes and genes are... can take a look at this short booklet that we Jehovah's Witnesses studied in our classes at the Kingdom Hall all around the world some time ago, and that I continually re-read to remember details that I sometimes forget.

https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/origin-of-life-5-questions/

The Question Three in the booklet is related to this topic, so I recommend it first here. Enjoy.

 

[Pogo]

Anyone who has no idea what DNA, chromosomes and genes are... can take a look at this short booklet that we Jehovah's Witnesses studied in our classes at the Kingdom Hall all around the world some time ago, and that I continually re-read to remember details that I sometimes forget.

https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/origin-of-life-5-questions/

The Question Three in the booklet is related to this topic, so I recommend it first here. Enjoy.

And for those of us who do know what DNA, chromosomes and genes are, we will warn you that the majority of that booklet is misleading at best and will only lead you to make a fool of yourself.

 

[Eli G]

I highly doubt there are that many readers on this forum ... and I highly doubt they haven't realized that although the forum is supposedly aimed at religious discussions where religion and beliefs should be respected at a minimum, many anti-Christians, atheists and such furious and irreverent anti-religious or ex-religious people have invaded this little space to develop a modus operandi of violence and disqualification of forum members who come here to share reasonable arguments about their beliefs.

I very much doubt that tose few honest readers don't know how to distinguish those forum members with their disorderly attitudes... from those of us who want to be serious in our debates.

For some reason these desperate anti-believers think they can fool everyone with their cheap demagoguery, as if their attitude adds some informative detail to the topics of debate. Although YES, they add a very important information: anti-religious people do not know how to behave socially.

Have an excellent day.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

When the chromosomes change their normal arrangement, it is considered an anomaly that makes the specimen not a normal individual within the population.

It's simply a mutation. If the mutation is adaptive, meaning it increases the individual's capacity to reproduce, then it is passed on and becomes more common. When you have enough of these mutations, you have a new species.

 

[Pogo]

I highly doubt there are that many readers on this forum ... and I highly doubt they haven't realized that although the forum is supposedly aimed at religious discussions where religion and beliefs should be respected at a minimum, many anti-Christians, atheists and such furious and irreverent anti-religious or ex-religious people have invaded this little space to develop a modus operandi of violence and disqualification of forum members who come here to share reasonable arguments about their beliefs.

I very much doubt that tose few honest readers don't know how to distinguish those forum members with their disorderly attitudes... from those of us who want to be serious in our debates.

For some reason these desperate anti-believers think they can fool everyone with their cheap demagoguery, as if their attitude adds some informative detail to the topics of debate. Although YES, they add a very important information: anti-religious people do not know how to behave socially.

Have an excellent day.

We have not been discussing your religion, we have been discussing evolution and creationism and for the most part the discussion is hampered by your lack of knowledge of the subject. There are also the times that you repeat falsehoods that have been explained to you many times.

You as well.

 

[Eli G]

Because of the disrespect of certain forum members and none advices are given to him about how to respect serious forum collaborators , I am banning this website two months out of my time.

See you in two months ... if this place is still alive.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

I highly doubt there are that many readers on this forum ... and I highly doubt they haven't realized that although the forum is supposedly aimed at religious discussions where religion and beliefs should be respected at a minimum, many anti-Christians, atheists and such furious and irreverent anti-religious or ex-religious people have invaded this little space to develop a modus operandi of violence and disqualification of forum members who come here to share reasonable arguments about their beliefs.

I very much doubt that tose few honest readers don't know how to distinguish those forum members with their disorderly attitudes... from those of us who want to be serious in our debates.

For some reason these desperate anti-believers think they can fool everyone with their cheap demagoguery, as if their attitude adds some informative detail to the topics of debate. Although YES, they add a very important information: anti-religious people do not know how to behave socially.

Have an excellent day.

Sensitive, are we? The person who is behaving inappropriately is you, because you insist that others agree with you.

This is a forum where many different views are voiced, different religions and even non-religious views. People ARE going to disagree with you, and they will tell you why. They may present an argument for their view, or they may point out a flaw in your own argument or explain how you got your facts wrong. That is the nature of this forum. It's not to everyone's taste.

On occasion, there will be a jerk or two that will turn it into a personal attack. In such instances, simply report the post.

 

[shunyadragon]

For those who don't know much about it, each gene determines certain physical characteristics and brain capacities of the individual. Practically each gene help create three proteins that the specific kind of body need to function properly. When the chromosomes change their normal arrangement, it is considered an anomaly that makes the specimen not a normal individual within the population.

If an ape ever changed its chromosome count, that was not an advance on its path to bringing its offspring closer to humans, but rather a backwardness, an abnormality that would surely have caused many problems in the survival of that individual and/or its offspring, which would be completely abnormal if survived, such as dwarfism, gigantism, Down syndrome and other genetic abnormalities. These changes were never and will never be favorable for the human species and its normal physical-intellectual development.

Imagine the effects that morphological and brain changes would have had on apes who were supposedly experiencing chromosomal abnormalities for millions of years...they say. That wouldn't turn an ape descendant into a human, but into some disabled ape. If we compare humans with apes, it is evident that we lack nothing because we have 23 pairs of chromosomes instead of the apes' 24 pairs, nor are they superior to us because they have a greater number.

There are about 3 proteins that each of the about 30,000 genes help create for our internal biological needs and anatomical configuration. Each chromosome has between hundreds and thousands of genes that carry out that immense internal work that very few know about.

Think about the fictitious event in which apes begin to lose genes that they need to remain biologically fit,... They have 48 chromosomes, while humans have 46, so there would be a loss of capabilities, not gains. Would defective apes become humans?

On the other hand, there is no real scenario where for millions of years apes are experiencing anomalies that would become the norm and would be favorable for entire populations of descendants.

Evolutionists are very fanciful. They have lost objectivity.

You have presented a false distorted view of the genetics of evolution based on and ancient tribal agenda without provenance or science.

Bottom line is the above is without any objective reference to science.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Because of the disrespect of certain forum members and none advices are given to him about how to respect serious forum collaborators , I am banning this website two months out of my time.

See you in two months ... if this place is still alive.

Hey, are you back yet? Can we talk in PM?

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

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What explanation does the evolutionary doctrine give to the different human races? Does this have to do with the species of apes that populated the different regions of the earth?

In any case, in human likeness, how many different races exist among the apes that later, according to evolutionary doctrine, became the different human races?

Race is a human concept, it is not an absolute, Race is a way to categorise humans into significantly different groups based mainly on visual differences. However all humans can and do interbreed, so the boundaries between "races" can not be defined. Genetically we are even less defined and we all can trace our genetics back to earlier origines, including the cro-magnon and Neanderthal and other early hominids.
Race as a differentiator is similar to Breeds in dogs, as they too can freely interbreed. Indeed mongrel dogs are usually far more healthy and genetically vigorous and sound than pure breeds. The same is generally true of humans.

 

[Eli G]

Hey, are you back yet? Can we talk in PM?

Hello. I've been looking at some of the topics, but I don't feel inclined to participate in any of them at the moment.

I really like your comments; they are very instructive and every time I visit this site I stop to read them very carefully.

Thank you for inviting me to talk privately, but I prefer not to. I don't trust the supposed privacy of discussions on internet forums.

A hug from a brother.

 

[Maninthemiddle]

It is crucial to distinguish between the scientific theory of evolution and the misuse or misinterpretation of evolutionary concepts to justify discriminatory or racist ideologies. Responsible and informed engagement with evolutionary theory should adhere to the empirical evidence and scientific principles, and should reject any misuse of scientific knowledge to promulgate prejudice or inequality.

Ultimately, the theory of evolution, when properly understood and applied within the context of scientific inquiry, aims to provide a naturalistic explanation for the diversity and development of life on Earth and does not promote or endorse racism.

 

[Eli G]

The current theories involve Homo Sapiens first emerging in Africa and then spreading across the world over ten of thousands of years. Because evolution is a constant ongoing process, populations of humans in different regions developed these variations over than long time period.

Thank you.

And could that idea change in the future? ...

I found an interesting news story somewhere that proves to me what I was afraid of: evolutionists constantly change their rhetoric and therefore cannot be trusted at all.

The news story says that evolutionists AGAIN believe that the apes that transformed into humans originally lived in Europe and then moved to Africa.

They are as fickle as the stock market. Who are you betting on this week? Africa, Asia, Europa, Australia?

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

I found an interesting news story somewhere that proves to me what I was afraid of: evolutionists constantly change their rhetoric and therefore cannot be trusted at all.

The news story says that evolutionists AGAIN believe that the apes that transformed into humans originally lived in Europe and then moved to Africa.

They are as fickle as the stock market. Who are you betting on this week? Africa, Asia, Europa, Australia?

Not heard that one. However they must have evolved somewhere. And the date of the earliest remains will have some bearing on where it was. Most genetic studies put that in Africa.
But finding fossils depends a great deal on luck.