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Is the future scary or amazing?

Nimos

Well-Known Member
So found this Ted talk about AI and the future of job, which is a really interesting topic in my opinion, as I think it can be almost as devastating for humans and our societies as that of climate change.

And personally I don't really have the impression, at least from my country that this is something that have any interest, neither the average person or the politicians seems concerned about these things, which to me is rather fearsome, because it means that it is going to sneak up on us slowly, sort of like the Covid, where we are not prepared to deal with the consequences of these things when people need it.

Personally I love new technology, but at the same time it also scares me, if we are not prepared for it. Especially because for the same part, we see technology as something that support us in our everyday life and make things easier. But there is a huge difference between that and technology which make humans obsolete.

The presentation can be seen here:

During the presentation he show a piece of music made under the name Emil Howell, which you can hear a bit of here:

Emily Howell is a computer program created by David Cope during the 1990s. Emily consists of an interactive interface that allows both musical and language communication. By encouraging and discouraging the program, Cope attempts to "teach" it to compose music more to his liking.


To me it seems like hardly any areas of jobs are left where you can't replace humans with technology. One of the few, might be science and engineering (Maybe) to be honest :)

 

robocop (actually)

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
So found this Ted talk about AI and the future of job, which is a really interesting topic in my opinion, as I think it can be almost as devastating for humans and our societies as that of climate change.

And personally I don't really have the impression, at least from my country that this is something that have any interest, neither the average person or the politicians seems concerned about these things, which to me is rather fearsome, because it means that it is going to sneak up on us slowly, sort of like the Covid, where we are not prepared to deal with the consequences of these things when people need it.

Personally I love new technology, but at the same time it also scares me, if we are not prepared for it. Especially because for the same part, we see technology as something that support us in our everyday life and make things easier. But there is a huge difference between that and technology which make humans obsolete.

The presentation can be seen here:

During the presentation he show a piece of music made under the name Emil Howell, which you can hear a bit of here:

Emily Howell is a computer program created by David Cope during the 1990s. Emily consists of an interactive interface that allows both musical and language communication. By encouraging and discouraging the program, Cope attempts to "teach" it to compose music more to his liking.


To me it seems like hardly any areas of jobs are left where you can't replace humans with technology. One of the few, might be science and engineering (Maybe) to be honest :)
It depends on what we do with the future.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
So found this Ted talk about AI and the future of job, which is a really interesting topic in my opinion, as I think it can be almost as devastating for humans and our societies as that of climate change.

And personally I don't really have the impression, at least from my country that this is something that have any interest, neither the average person or the politicians seems concerned about these things, which to me is rather fearsome, because it means that it is going to sneak up on us slowly, sort of like the Covid, where we are not prepared to deal with the consequences of these things when people need it.

Personally I love new technology, but at the same time it also scares me, if we are not prepared for it. Especially because for the same part, we see technology as something that support us in our everyday life and make things easier. But there is a huge difference between that and technology which make humans obsolete.

The presentation can be seen here:

During the presentation he show a piece of music made under the name Emil Howell, which you can hear a bit of here:

Emily Howell is a computer program created by David Cope during the 1990s. Emily consists of an interactive interface that allows both musical and language communication. By encouraging and discouraging the program, Cope attempts to "teach" it to compose music more to his liking.


To me it seems like hardly any areas of jobs are left where you can't replace humans with technology. One of the few, might be science and engineering (Maybe) to be honest :)
I think it can both ways. Technology can be good but if we make it so nobody need to work, it can damage us as human beings.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
So found this Ted talk about AI and the future of job, which is a really interesting topic in my opinion, as I think it can be almost as devastating for humans and our societies as that of climate change.

And personally I don't really have the impression, at least from my country that this is something that have any interest, neither the average person or the politicians seems concerned about these things, which to me is rather fearsome, because it means that it is going to sneak up on us slowly, sort of like the Covid, where we are not prepared to deal with the consequences of these things when people need it.

Personally I love new technology, but at the same time it also scares me, if we are not prepared for it. Especially because for the same part, we see technology as something that support us in our everyday life and make things easier. But there is a huge difference between that and technology which make humans obsolete.

The presentation can be seen here:

During the presentation he show a piece of music made under the name Emil Howell, which you can hear a bit of here:

Emily Howell is a computer program created by David Cope during the 1990s. Emily consists of an interactive interface that allows both musical and language communication. By encouraging and discouraging the program, Cope attempts to "teach" it to compose music more to his liking.


To me it seems like hardly any areas of jobs are left where you can't replace humans with technology. One of the few, might be science and engineering (Maybe) to be honest :)

Have to wonder if this how we will end up if we get robots to do all of the work for us.

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robocop (actually)

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Yeah agree that is the issue, don't know where you live in the world? but do you get the impression that it is of great concern political etc?
A quality of life is that everyone has to pass through fire to become an adult. I'm 41 and I'm still working on it.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
To me it seems like hardly any areas of jobs are left where you can't replace humans with technology. One of the few, might be science and engineering (Maybe) to be honest

COVID-19 appears to be accelerating this trend from what I've seen in a few stories over the past few months.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
The body exists to support the CNS(Central Nervous System)

I suppose if we can figure out how to keep the CNS alive without the rest of the body, it doesn't matter what happens to the rest of the body.
Maybe we won't figure out a replacement for the brain but it doesn't seem too far fetched that we can figure out how to replace everything else.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Amazing.
The present is doing a good job of being that too.

Do you find now scary?

Maybe it should. I know it is naive to think all them bad things happen to other folks but that's what I'm stuck with until otherwise.

I figure I'll handle whatever happens until I can't. Then that will be the end of it.

Eh, nevermind. I see I didn't fully comprehend your post. :shrug:
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Do you find now scary?
Not at all.
Maybe it should. I know it is naive to think all them bad things happen to other folks but that's what I'm stuck with until otherwise.

I figure I'll handle whatever happens until I can't. Then that will be the end of it.
Try my approach.....
Be optimistic.
Enjoy what there is.
Trust reasonable precautions.
And recognize that life offers no guarantees but death & taxes.
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
Humans have a poor track record of responsible use of technology, if the present mass extinction and global-scale ecological destruction is our standard of measure. There's little reason to suppose this will change. Technology will continue to be used to exploit non-human persons and human persons alike. Law offers some respite but is often slow to adapt to changes while leaving many gaps for exploitation. That it isn't straight up illegal to harvest personal data without consent is an example of this.
 

Milton Platt

Well-Known Member
So found this Ted talk about AI and the future of job, which is a really interesting topic in my opinion, as I think it can be almost as devastating for humans and our societies as that of climate change.

And personally I don't really have the impression, at least from my country that this is something that have any interest, neither the average person or the politicians seems concerned about these things, which to me is rather fearsome, because it means that it is going to sneak up on us slowly, sort of like the Covid, where we are not prepared to deal with the consequences of these things when people need it.

Personally I love new technology, but at the same time it also scares me, if we are not prepared for it. Especially because for the same part, we see technology as something that support us in our everyday life and make things easier. But there is a huge difference between that and technology which make humans obsolete.

The presentation can be seen here:

During the presentation he show a piece of music made under the name Emil Howell, which you can hear a bit of here:

Emily Howell is a computer program created by David Cope during the 1990s. Emily consists of an interactive interface that allows both musical and language communication. By encouraging and discouraging the program, Cope attempts to "teach" it to compose music more to his liking.


To me it seems like hardly any areas of jobs are left where you can't replace humans with technology. One of the few, might be science and engineering (Maybe) to be honest :)
Scary and amazing are not mutually exclusive concepts...I'd say the future is a bit of both.
 

Onoma

Active Member
I think it can be amazing if we make the right choices and horrible if we don't

I'd like to see more integrations of technology and nature, like agricultural drones that provide some of their own energy by biodigesting weeds and insect pests, or drones that pick up garbage or collect it from the oceans

Currently, our planet is surrounded by garbage floating in space, our oceans are full of garbage, our springs are tainted, our air is fouled, our bodies poisoned, and our minds are polluted

All of these, sadly, are gifts from our need for abundance and convenience

People have gradually shifted away from thinking to solve problems, to expecting them to be solved as a matter of modern technology (Look at the difference in the education curriculums 100+ years ago compared to modern), and seem to confuse having access to volumes of information online with actually knowing it. No reason to learn math because we have calculators, right ?

Yet, we've been using fuzzy logic ( A method of reasoning that resembles human reasoning ) for everything from air conditioners, washing machines, vacuum cleaners, anti-skid braking systems, transmission systems, control of subway systems, etc, for some time now

If we're talking some scenario where we just turn over total control to AI like a Hollywood movie.....

Because of this, I feel AI would determine we're unfit to continue at our current paces, and would determine there are several choices, 1.) That humans must be exterminated for the well-being of the rest of earth, 2.) Humans have to be forcefully limited in their procreation until their consumption habits can be kept up with to the point where they don't destroy everything, iow, when the population is actually able to keep up with it's own trash, 3.) Humans need as much help as they can get, especially where thinking is concerned, and what better way then to help design technology that is environmentally sustainable

I guess ultimately it depends on how much power is given, because ultimately, the age old question arises

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Would like to be positive and optimistic. Looking forward to seeing how VR, self-driving cars, robotics, space travel, etc. further develop.
Still have to worry about rights and liberty due to rapidly developing surveillance tech.
Also have to worry about economy with robotics taking jobs and causing unemployment to rise.
It's going to happen whether for better or worse so buckle in.
 
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