Is the Quran only for Muslims?

[outhouse]

By the way you might be interested in this, so that you know the origin of mankind and who are the real jews . .

Why would I think any muslim would be honest in a religious debate.


Im sorry you do not have the intellect to answer with both honesty and with intelligence.

 

[Muslim Atheism]

So you expect me to believe in your 'theory and speculation' which you label it as 'fact' ?

That they are all in the middle east since the beginning of mankind ?

If I don't . . then I have no intellect ? That's funny.

 

[outhouse]

So you expect me to believe in your theory and speculation ?

Im sorry you do not have the intellect to answer with both honesty and with intelligence


Why do you hate education and knowledge?

That they are all in the middle east since the beginning of mankind ?

Did I state that?


Or is it more of your dishonesty?

 

[Muslim Atheism]

Why do you hate education and knowledge?

Where did I said that ?

I only said don't believe in 'lies'. . there are so many. so as the Jews.

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That is not 'knowledge', it is not even from 'direct evidence' and there is no 'corroborative evidence' , or common sense. .

It is a lie, and only people like you claimed it as 'knowledge' and as 'fact'.

and look. .Obama is so much like Asian people.

 

[outhouse]

Bilqis (Queen of Sheba) – Stories of the Quran | Islamic Sufism Spirituality


{He inspected the birds, and said: “What is the matter that I see not the hoopoe? Or is he among the absentees? “I will surely punish him with a severe torment, or slaughter him, unless he brings me a clear reason.” But the hoopoe stayed not long: he (came up and) said: “I have grasped (the knowledge of a thing) which you have not grasped and I have come to you from Saba’ (Sheba) with true news.” “I found a woman ruling over them: she has been given all things that could be possessed by any ruler of the earth, and she has a great throne.

 

[outhouse]

It is blatantly plagiarized mythology.




Criticism of Muhammad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Modern critics have criticized Muhammad for preaching beliefs that are incompatible with democracy; Somali-Dutch feminist writer Ayaan Hirsi Ali has called him a "tyrant"[26] and a "pervert".[27] The Dutch Party for Freedom leader Geert Wilders calls Muhammad a "mass murderer and a pedophile".

Criticism of Islam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


the Quran contains verses which are difficult to understand or contradictory.[69]
Some accounts of the history of Islam say there were two verses of the Quran that were allegedly added by Muhammad when he was tricked by Satan (in an incident known as the "Story of the Cranes", later referred to as the "Satanic Verses"). These verses were then retracted at angel Gabriel's behest.[70][71]
The author of the Apology of al-Kindy Abd al-Masih ibn Ishaq al-Kindi (not to be confused with the famed philosopher al-Kindi) claimed that the narratives in the Quran were "all jumbled together and intermingled" and that this was "an evidence that many different hands have been at work therein, and caused discrepancies, adding or cutting out whatever they liked or disliked".[

 

[Muslim Atheism]

Criticism of Muhammad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Modern critics have criticized Muhammad for preaching beliefs that are incompatible with democracy; Somali-Dutch feminist writer Ayaan Hirsi Ali has called him a "tyrant"[26] and a "pervert".[27] The Dutch Party for Freedom leader Geert Wilders calls Muhammad a "mass murderer and a pedophile".

You cannot show the name of Muhammad in the Quran

and that facts clearly contradicting this verse, and none can be be regarded as truth.

And had your Lord willed, those on earth would have believed - all of them entirely.
Then, [O Muhammad], would you compel the people in order that they become believers?
And it is not for a soul to believe except by permission of Allah ,
and He will place defilement upon those who will not use reason.
10:99-100​

It is your burden of proof to show that the 'person' you refer follows all verses from the Quran. (refer here and here)
Otherwise, it is not him. . . Impossible
It is conflicting with premises from the Quran, and he will not even be a Muslim if he did all that, simple.


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Criticism of Islam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


the Quran contains verses which are difficult to understand or contradictory.[69]
Some accounts of the history of Islam say there were two verses of the Quran that were allegedly added by Muhammad when he was tricked by Satan (in an incident known as the "Story of the Cranes", later referred to as the "Satanic Verses"). These verses were then retracted at angel Gabriel's behest.[70][71]
The author of the Apology of al-Kindy Abd al-Masih ibn Ishaq al-Kindi (not to be confused with the famed philosopher al-Kindi) claimed that the narratives in the Quran were "all jumbled together and intermingled" and that this was "an evidence that many different hands have been at work therein, and caused discrepancies, adding or cutting out whatever they liked or disliked".[

Of course, the Arabic Quran is a dead language. No one speaks that language in today's worlds. (refer here)

 

[outhouse]

No more food for you.

 

[Muslim Atheism]

Of course, it is not 'history' but merely 'speculation' and 'lies' . . .from the start.

And the example of a bad word (falsehood) is like a bad tree
uprooted from the surface of the earth
not having any stability <- their arguments are not consistent
14.26

The example of those who take allies other than Allah <- falsehood
is like that of the spider who takes a home
And indeed, the weakest of homes is the home of the spider
if they only knew
29.41​

 

[Smart_Guy]

I would say that to all muslims.

Common sense tells us that the scripture is just a later version of the bible, with no historical aspects correct of any Jewish history.


Its the only religion that states all other religions are wrong, and corrupt. It is circular thinking. The problem lies with this being the foundation of the whole religion.

Do you think your books are historically correct?

That's one of the many points you misunderstand about the Islam. Islam does not state that other religions are wrong, otherwise Islam wouldn't have borrowed some laws and teaching before some of them were superseded. Some of those teachings are still valid until now. It only suggests that other religions got corrupted, and not completely but mainly in the doctrine, later on (emphasis on later on).

I think that the Quraan (only one book) is historically correct, yes.

That's just my opinion and belief, and I respect yours.

The Qur'an is only relevant to Muslims, by Muslims and for Muslims. It will always stay that way considering mulhids like myself do not appreciate what the Qur'an has to say about anything.
To me it is immoral and out of date as are most scriptures in general. I value reason over myth and the world over magical realms.
The only two mythical beings I want to exist is ponies and nekomimis and I will keep it at that.

...Mew

Wait, I thought ponies are real!!! I mean, we have some of them here at our beaches. The look like this:

Well, kinda. Unless you mean My Little Ponies? I always wanted unicorns to be real

You know, the Quran gives special regards to the non-Muslims who do not fight us and try to kill us and kick us out of our homes. Teachings of the Quran are what made me the person I am now. I befriend non Muslims, respect them, share their sadness and happiness with them and co-work with them. I have many non Muslim friends, specially on Facebook. As for myths and magical realms, they are just beliefs. Don't worry about them much

imo the Quran cannot be universal if those who do not adhere to the 'religion of Islam' will end in hell . . .therefore, it will invalidate these premises:

Your opinion is highly respected.

My opinion is that the Quran can be universal, but I agree that it says that non Muslims will go to hell. However, and I say that being an Arab that reads the Quran directly in it's original language, that does not mean that all non Muslims will indeed go to hell, yet the default conclusion is that they will. God says that he can forgive anything no matter what, with one simple exception; worshiping other than him. He did not say if he's is not worshiped.

In my understanding, there is a possibility that even an atheist can be spared from hell.

 

[Pastek]

If God is the Lord of the worlds (1.2) and the Prophet is described as the messenger for the worlds (21.107) and the Quran is introduced as a reminder to the worlds, (68.52) then:

1. What is the relevance of the Quranic message to the world?​

Believe in God, make good deads, avoid bad actions, help people (with money or fight against injustice). Then God will judge between us in the D. Day.

2. How can the world, Muslims and non-Muslims, alike, benefit from the universal message of a universal and compassionate God, during this life and afterlife?

The rule number 1 : Believe in God. Then your actions are important in the hereafter.

3. Can non-Muslims practice divinely revealed values without acknowledging their original source and without adhering to the total divine call?

Yes​

 

[Pastek]

Not by reading a book that factually claims all other religions are false, and teachings corrupted. After Plagiarizing the very books they claim are false.

We never said they are false, we just don't believe in everything in it. Some parts are not correct for us, other parts are correct.
But the global message is the same.

 

[outhouse]

That's one of the many points you misunderstand about the Islam. Islam does not state that other religions are wrong,.

Islam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

They maintain that the previous messages and revelations have been partially misinterpreted or altered over time,[5] but consider the Arabic Qur'an to be both the unaltered and the final revelation of God


States right there, Yours is wrong and ours is right. after it plagiarized these previous religions.

 

[outhouse]

I think that the Quraan (only one book) is historically correct, yes.

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It is a fact it is the least historically correct, because it was written by people far removed from any actual events.


By being so far removed from actual events it FACTUALLY copied mythology and pseudo history as real history and then perverted the original stories created to meet the cultural needs of the people who wrote it.

 

[Smart_Guy]

Islam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

They maintain that the previous messages and revelations have been partially misinterpreted or altered over time,[5] but consider the Arabic Qur'an to be both the unaltered and the final revelation of God


States right there, Yours is wrong and ours is right. after it plagiarized these previous religions.

You know very well that Islam came way later than Christianity and Judaism, right?

Yes, the Quran says they are altered (I'll use altered instead of corrupted). It says so after they got altered.

God revealed Islam once they got altered to guide the people away from that alteration that changed the doctrine they provide. If those religions were wrong, we Muslims wouldn't have believed that they and their books were sent by the same God. The Quran wouldn't have said that.

Please believe me, you do not know Islam well to judge it. You can't read and understand the Quran in its original language like I do so that you can give a rational judgement.

 

[Muslim Atheism]

IMO they are wrong because they read the same Book, but made the universal message into a 'religion'. . same with today's Muslims.

Turn towards Him and be dutiful to Him
Establish the divine system (of unity in diversity)
And DO NOT become

(1) an idolater who ascribe authorities along with Him,
(2) Or of those (Jews and Christians etc.)
who (recite the same Book but) have broken the unity
and become religion (&#1588;&#1616;&#1610;&#1614;&#1593;&#1611;&#1575
each group is happy with what it has​

30.31-32​

. . .

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you have nothing whatsoever to do with them
6.159​

. . .

The main theme of the Quran, Gospel and Torah. . .

People are only responsible for themselves

And those who take allies besides Him,

God is responsible for them;
and you are not a guardian over them.​

Unity in diversity

And thus We have inspired to you an Arabic Qur'an,

so that you may warn the capital town and all around it,
and to warn about the Day of Gathering that is inevitable.
A group will be in the Paradise,
and a group in Hell.​

And if God had willed, (ie. the test)

He could have made them one nation.
But He admits whom He wills into His mercy.
And the transgressors will have neither an ally, nor helper.​

The idolaters create religions (idolism)

Or have they taken allies besides Him?

But God is the ally,
and He is the One who resurrects the dead,
and He is able to do all things.​

And anything you dispute in,

then its judgement shall be with God.
Such is God my Lord.
In Him I place my trust,
and to Him I repent.
Initiator of the heavens and the earth.
He created for you from among yourselves mates,
and also mates for the livestock so they may multiply.
There is nothing that equals Him.
He is the Hearer, the Seer.
To Him belong the possessions of the heavens and the earth.
He spreads out the provision for whoever He wills,
and He measures it.
He is fully aware of all things.​

All Prophets were assigned to the same mission for unity in diversity

He has decreed for you the same system (for unity in diversity)

He ordained for
Noah,
and what We inspired to you, (Quran)
and what We ordained for Abraham,
Moses, (Torah)
and Jesus: (Gospel)​

You shall uphold this system (of unity in diversity)
and do not divide in it (ie. sectarianism, but live as one nation)​

The cause of sectarianism

Intolerable for the idolaters is what you invite them towards (unity).

God chooses for Himself whoever He wills;
He guides to Himself those who repent.​

And they only divided (ie. intor religion and sectarianism)

after the knowledge had come to them,
due to resentment among themselves.
And had it not been for a predetermined decision from your Lord,
they would have been judged immediately.
Indeed, those who inherited the Book after them are full of doubts.​

Mission & The Principle of Unity in Diversity

For that, you shall preach and be upright
(ie. concern with justly balanced, regardless of religions)

as you have been commanded,
and do not follow their wishes. (for sectarianism, religionisim etc)​

And say: (the principle of unity in diversity)

(1) I believe in all that God has sent down as a Book,
(2) and I was commanded to be with justice between you.
(3) God is our Lord and your Lord.
(4) We have our deeds and you have your deeds.
(5) There is no argument between us and you.
(6) God will gather us all together, and to Him is the ultimate destiny.​

The Sectarians

And those who debate about God (ie. the call for unity in diversity),

after they had been answered,
their argument is nullified at their Lord.
They have incurred a wrath,
and will have a severe retribution.​

God is the One who sent down the Book with the truth,

and the balance.
And for all that you know,
the Hour may be very near.​

42:6-17​

This is the main theme of the Quran, to lay the foundation for unity in diversity.

 

[outhouse]

God revealed Islam



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That is the fundamentalism and fanaticism I am talking about.


You can believe what you want, but all evidence points to 100% creation by man. And nothing else at all.


Or we would not have plagiarized mythology and pseudo history.

 

[outhouse]

If those religions were wrong, we Muslims wouldn't have believed that they and their books were sent by the same God.

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Every change in the Koran in the mythology, about Abraham, Moses, Noah, queen of Sheba, is nothing more then your scribes changing the pervious books to address the changing cultures and peoples of a different place.

You know very well that Islam came way later than Christianity and Judaism, right?

The only way to copy others religions is to have the religions in existence.

Your book has very little historicity at all for any event reported by Christians or Jews.

 

[Smart_Guy]

That is the fundamentalism and fanaticism I am talking about.

You can believe what you want, but all evidence points to 100% creation by man. And nothing else at all.

Or we would not have plagiarized mythology and pseudo history.

You're using a logic that describes what you say as fundamentalism and fanaticism more than it is for what I say. I believe my things but you state ideas forcing them as a fact. That is real fundamentalism and fanaticism. What you typed in red proves it.

I mentioned over and over that what I believe is what I believe and I don't impose it on others.

We should respect each others' freedom of religious opinions. If we don't, it would be another form of fundamentalism and fanaticism.

 

[Smart_Guy]

Every change in the Koran in the mythology, about Abraham, Moses, Noah, queen of Sheba, is nothing more then your scribes changing the pervious books to address the changing cultures and peoples of a different place.

The only way to copy others religions is to have the religions in existence.

Your book has very little historicity at all for any event reported by Christians or Jews.

More fundamentalism and fanaticism. Please don't accuse people on things you personally do, perhaps, giving you the benefit of the doubt, without you knowing. Please don't impose your personal findings on others as perfect facts. I don't see how my defensive attitude is considered fundamentalism and fanaticism.

Again, it is very clear you do not know "my book" well, yet claim things against it. This in not a nice thing to do.

Don't you see what's going on here? You keep attacking and I keep defending. You're causing me misfortune while you are completely safe from it.