Is the UN preparing to attack Religion?

[LuisDantas]

8 million JW's at least

For real?

 

[Ingledsva]

Getting back to the OP and detouring from biblical prophecies that never mean anything until they can be twisted around to be viewed through retrospective lenses to have some vague application to some forgettable event.


Regarding the attempt by the UN to hold the Vatican accountable concerning the well-documented instances of pedophilia has nothing to do with persecution of religion. That is just absurd. The tens of thousands of lives destroyed by a religious organization that did nothing but move priests from one community to another so that they could continue to rape children everywhere they were sent speaks to the priorities of the old men in charge.

And now they are getting upset about being called to account for their silence, their inactivity, their dishonesty, and their disregard for those who trusted them because they represented the will of the divine? Nobody is attacking religion, the UN is merely pointing out that the hypocrites need to examine their so-called moral and ethical obligations and act accordingly.

Ought the Vatican not be held accountable for its role in the perpetuation of these crimes against its own followers? What gives those old men the right to rant and rage against homosexuality, contraception, abortion, sex outside of matrimony and yet say nothing about its own representatives’ crimes against children? If the Catholic Church insists on holding the laity to its standards concerning sexual mores, then it better start with its priests first and not try to deflect from the guilt they clearly own in this regard.

…but I guess that would mess with the deeply ingrained pedophilic climate…

And the Protestant Church which has about as many cases pending.


I just wish the gloves would come off and church people would be held and charged, just like everyone else.


Every priest and preacher that has molested children should go to prison, and everyone that knew, or passed them up the line, or hid the crimes, should also go to prison.



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[Simurgh]

And the Protestant Church which has about as many cases pending.


I just wish the gloves would come off and church people would be held and charged, just like everyone else.


Every priest and preacher that has molested children should go to prison, and everyone that knew, or passed them up the line, or hide the crimes, should also go to prison.



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i really don't care if these are catholics or protestants. they are all just christians to me. i think it's really just a matter of catholics being in strict institutional hierarchy, and the protestans are individual denominations that cannot be held accountable as a single entity.

I definitely agree with the accountability of those in charge that kept the cycle going by their inaction and silence. If we can lock up people for conspiracy to commit crimes, then religious leaders ought not be exempt.

 

[Pegg]

For real?

Yes, we've hit the 8mil milestone.

 

[LuisDantas]

And most of you actually believe in that evil UNO idea? That is scary to think.

 

[Pegg]

And most of you actually believe in that evil UNO idea? That is scary to think.

hence why we dont vote or get involved in politics

All political organziations are in opposition to God and his rulership.... whether its the UN or American conservatives or Chinese communists....they are all expressions of mans rule over man, and that is evil.

 

[Simurgh]

hence why we dont vote or get involved in politics
All political organziations are in opposition to God and his rulership.... whether its the UN or American conservatives or Chinese communists....they are all expressions of mans rule over man, and that is evil.

well, it looks like your god designed us humans rather poorly, as we apparently need leadership of some sort. How can anyone be proud of playing the god card and sitting back to criticize those who do their part to support democracy, warts and all. Man's rule over man is not evil, it's a necessary part of living in a civilized country.

What is evil is the continued absence of moral leadership by religious elites who care more about wealth, prestige, power, and a make-believe reputation of morality. Those who think that living solely based on their scripture should leave, move to a place where they can all do the religious thing--whatever that may be--and try live without having someone in charge. And yes, that means getting rid of the privileged religious leaders also. Being ruled by men is evil after all.

Furthermore, in my opinion the problem with people who think their god will finally put in an appearance and fix what is wrong with the people he supposedly created, need to wake up and stop abrogating their responsibilities as social animals and take responsibility for the mess they create. Voting and being politically active is one such responsibility. And if you benefit from being protected and served by an army, then stop hiding behind pacifist rhetoric and do your part.

...maybe that means we women should rule. we were not mentioned in that little bit of imparted wisdom.

And most of you actually believe in that evil UNO idea? That is scary to think.

Nah, some people are aware that the UN actually has done a lot of good and so we don't believe in that usual conspiracy theory crap. The UN exists for a reason.

 

[Jeremy Mason]

What do you think about this?

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[Ingledsva]

What do you think about this?

Noahide.org

What do you mean exactly?



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[Jeremy Mason]

What do you mean exactly?

Well, the OP has asked, "Is the UN preparing to attack religion?" I find that odd because they have aligned themselves with laws that come from a religious point of view.

 

[shawn001]

8 million JW's at least

How does that work with the 144,000 number?

 

[LuisDantas]

How does that work with the 144,000 number?

If I am not mistaken, there are two levels or at least "destinations" of salvation according to JW doctrine. Most JW's will supposedly earn a top-level afterlife that just happens to be on Earth after all.

But I may easily have to learn better. Just thought Pegg and other JW's might want to know what version reached me.

 

[Pegg]

How does that work with the 144,000 number?

the 144,000 are those who will be with Christ governing mankind from heaven.

The rest of mankind will continue to live on the earth....where God put us.
Psalm 37:29 The righteous will possess the earth, And they will live forever on it.

 

[LuisDantas]

One thing I must admit however: for better or worse, and for all that I insist that there should be separation between Church and State - total separation, mind you - I don't really see how one's religious practice could possibly have no political implications, if only by default. Nor do I find that wrong in and of itself. It is very legitimate to have political views and political activity, although I will criticize the beejezus out of views that I find wrong.

 

[Pegg]

One thing I must admit however: for better or worse, and for all that I insist that there should be separation between Church and State - total separation, mind you - I don't really see how one's religious practice could possibly have no political implications, if only by default. Nor do I find that wrong in and of itself. It is very legitimate to have political views and political activity, although I will criticize the beejezus out of views that I find wrong.

i think of it this way... politics is all about mans rule over man. One man deciding what all others should be doing and how they should be doing it.

Look at whats happening in many parts of the world right now and we can see why politics is bad for mankind. Mans rule will never satisfy the needs of every person...some always miss out and this will cause suffering.

But there is a way out of this. We reject mans rulership and choose to be ruled by our Creator. This world will run much better under Gods guidance because he is interested in EVERY individual, and he has the ability to provide and care for every single person. Man will always serve out of self-interest, but God serves out of love. And this is why 8million people worldwide are serving Jehovah right now....we have all chosen to be ruled by God alone and it works for us. We are wholly united and work together even though we are from all nations, our organization runs purely by donations and volunteers...we have published and distributed our literature bible literature and publications even when then nations put us under complete bans, and the Watchtower has never missed a month in over 100 years...even when our Bethel homes were closed down by the governments and our preaching work was illegal.

No human run organization could achieve such outcomes... but Gods rulership can overcome all obstacles and it is growing exponentially even in communist lands where religion is completely outlawed.

 

[LuisDantas]

i think of it this way... politics is all about mans rule over man. One man deciding what all others should be doing and how they should be doing it.

Look at whats happening in many parts of the world right now and we can see why politics is bad for mankind.

But there is a way out of this. We reject mans rulership and choose to be ruled by our Creator. This world will run much better under Gods guidance imo.

Sorry, but I just don't see that we have any choice besides dealing with each other here on Earth in some way, even if it is by avoidance, until and unless God manifests himself.

I'm not at all a fan of politics, mind you. But I need to deal with it all the same. I just do not see any alternatives.

 

[Pegg]

Sorry, but I just don't see that we have any choice besides dealing with each other here on Earth in some way, even if it is by avoidance, until and unless God manifests himself.

I'm not at all a fan of politics, mind you. But I need to deal with it all the same. I just do not see any alternatives.

there will always be choices, but the decision is in your hands

 

[LuisDantas]

there will always be choices, but the decision is in your hands

Eh. People keep seeing invisible choices all around me...

 

[shawn001]

the 144,000 are those who will be with Christ governing mankind from heaven.

The rest of mankind will continue to live on the earth....where God put us.
Psalm 37:29 The righteous will possess the earth, And they will live forever on it.

My understanding then is you will stay on earth and not go to heaven? Yes?

Of course your God will also have to make the earth last after the sun goes red giant and destroys the Earth. A totally natural cycle of our star the sun.

 

[Pegg]

My understanding then is you will stay on earth and not go to heaven? Yes?

Of course your God will also have to make the earth last after the sun goes red giant and destroys the Earth. A totally natural cycle of our star the sun.

yes, thats correct. Hopefully im with the majority on earth.

Science predictions are opinion and speculation... Gods word is as good as done.