Is the UN preparing to attack Religion?

[shawn001]

i think of it this way... politics is all about mans rule over man. One man deciding what all others should be doing and how they should be doing it.

Look at whats happening in many parts of the world right now and we can see why politics is bad for mankind. Mans rule will never satisfy the needs of every person...some always miss out and this will cause suffering.

But there is a way out of this. We reject mans rulership and choose to be ruled by our Creator. This world will run much better under Gods guidance because he is interested in EVERY individual, and he has the ability to provide and care for every single person. Man will always serve out of self-interest, but God serves out of love. And this is why 8million people worldwide are serving Jehovah right now....we have all chosen to be ruled by God alone and it works for us. We are wholly united and work together even though we are from all nations, our organization runs purely by donations and volunteers...we have published and distributed our literature bible literature and publications even when then nations put us under complete bans, and the Watchtower has never missed a month in over 100 years...even when our Bethel homes were closed down by the governments and our preaching work was illegal.

No human run organization could achieve such outcomes... but Gods rulership can overcome all obstacles and it is growing exponentially even in communist lands where religion is completely outlawed.

"This world will run much better under Gods guidance because he is interested in EVERY individual"

Yet you believed God killed everyone, except for Noah and the people with him in a global flood.

Not sure either how your speaking for God and know God's interests?

We know that the God you believe in has an interest and it seems need for humans to worship him. Interesting.

 

[Pegg]

"This world will run much better under Gods guidance because he is interested in EVERY individual"

Yet you believed God killed everyone, except for Noah and the people with him in a global flood.

Not sure either how your speaking for God and know God's interests?

We know that the God you believe in has an interest and it seems need for humans to worship him. Interesting.

Yes, i believe that. And his actions at that time were for all mankinds benefit.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

I see no evidence that the UN has attacked religion or is preparing to do so.
However to a religious organisation the protection of human rights and free speech might, on occasion, seem to be so.
A religion that "Enforces" its beliefs has overstepped the mark of personal freedom, and will eventually be curtailed. However its membership is free to hold what ever personal beliefs they like. But when these become a practice that breaks laws and infringes human rights, those laws and rights should and must be enforced.

 

[Father Heathen]

Nothing should be exempt from critique and scrutiny, nor is anything entitled to respect and reverence.

 

[Father Heathen]

there will always be choices, but the decision is in your hands

I choose to run into a wall and turn into an accordion.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

hence why we dont vote or get involved in politics

All political organziations are in opposition to God and his rulership.... whether its the UN or American conservatives or Chinese communists....they are all expressions of mans rule over man, and that is evil.

Romans 13:1-5:

Every*[a]person is to be in*subjection to the governing authorities. For*there is no authority except*from God, and those which exist are established by God.*2*Therefore*[c]whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves.*3*For*rulers are not a cause of fear for*[d]good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same;4*for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an*avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil.5*Therefore it is necessary to be in subjection, not only because of wrath, but also*for conscience’ sake.

 

[Jeremy Mason]

My understanding then is you will stay on earth and not go to heaven? Yes?

Of course your God will also have to make the earth last after the sun goes red giant and destroys the Earth. A totally natural cycle of our star the sun.

Yeah, I already pointed that out to Pegg earlier in another thread. Apparently, for JWs the sun and earth will always exist.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Yes, i believe that. And his actions at that time were for all mankinds benefit.

Yeah, wiping out almost all life on a planet save for a very small number is certainly beneficial. Interesting "logic" you have there.

 

[Enai de a lukal]

Yeah, wiping out almost all life on a planet save for a very small number is certainly beneficial. Interesting "logic" you have there.

It's like the trolley-car DDE scenario in reverse- rather than rerouting the car to kill one person in order to save five people, God redirects the car to kill five people and save the one.

Good call, God.

 

[ZooGirl02]

I personally feel like the UN went way too far when they told the Catholic Church to change its teachings.

 

[Enai de a lukal]

I personally feel like the UN went way too far when they told the Catholic Church to change its teachings.

Why? Isn't a prestigious international organization that systematically preaches socially pernicious doctrines sort of fall within the domain of what the UN exists to regulate? If the UN can't tell the Catholic church to mind their behavior, who can?

And what is it about religion that gives people a free pass to do/teach immoral things? I don't see why everyone is in such a hurry to grant a special pass for religion to do whatever it pleases.

 

[Sees]

People are making religious freedom into a stupidity-bigotry-persecution permit for some reason.

 

[Awkward Fingers]

People are making religious freedom into a stupidity-bigotry-persecution permit for some reason.

I have the funny feeling, that for every person that thinks these laws are a great idea, and a return to god's ways, two more people will be pushed further from religion, and be forced to start taking a critical look at their own beliefs.

Or at least I hope...

 

[Sees]

I have the funny feeling, that for every person that thinks these laws are a great idea, and a return to god's ways, two more people will be pushed further from religion, and be forced to start taking a critical look at their own beliefs.

Or at least I hope...

I am religious my self but it doesn't have place in politics or give reason to harm or make life difficult for others. Dreams of theocracy certainly seem behind a lot of agendas but Pagan folks tend to not do this crap. Ethics and law is to be kept secular and constantly updated.

 

[LuisDantas]

I personally feel like the UN went way too far when they told the Catholic Church to change its teachings.

Hardly. For one thing, it is everyone's right to opine about religious teachings. It does not take any special status.

Of course, such opinions can be simply disregarded. Talk is cheap.

As it turns out, though, the Catholic Church happens to also enjoy the status of a sovereign nation as the Holy See, which applied for membership in the UN in 1944, was granted observer status in 1964 and full membership in 2004.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_See_and_the_United_Nations

That basically means that the UN and the RCC have agreed to at least listen to each other, doesn't it?


In any case, I'm not aware of this episode you are talking about. Was it perhaps some comment on birth control policies, or maybe homosexuality acceptance?

 

[SkylarHunter]

As it turns out, though, the Catholic Church happens to also enjoy the status of a sovereign nation as the Holy See, which applied for membership in the UN in 1944, was granted observer status in 1964 and full membership in 2004.

Holy See and the United Nations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That basically means that the UN and the RCC have agreed to at least listen to each other, doesn't it?

Based on the principle of equality that must of us seem to prefer, if the catholic church has a status in the UN, even if only as an observer, shouldn't all other religions have the same right? Equal rights and all...

 

[LuisDantas]

Based on the principle of equality that must of us seem to prefer, if the catholic church has a status in the UN, even if only as an observer, shouldn't all other religions have the same right? Equal rights and all...

No. For one thing, that is a totally arbitrary call. Even telling how many other religions there are (Tens of thousands? A dozen? A half dozen? Two?) is an arbitrary call.

For another, UN Membership implies duties as well as rights. Not too many religions want or can fulfill those duties.

Perhaps most important of all, the Roman Catholic Church (or more properly, the City of the Vatican) is considered an actual State. It has been granted political authonomy (by Mussolini, natch) and that has never been revoked. Technically, the Pope is a head of state (and a dictator at that).

Also, note that UN Membership isn't a right, but a privilege. It can only be granted with the approval of, among others, the five permanent members of tue Security Council - Continental China, Russia, France, UK and the USA).

Chapter II of the United Nations Charter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That said, the observer status is entirely unofficial, so steps in that direction might well be taken, although I still think that is probably not a good idea. Far too much mixing of church and government.