Is the word "Ahimsa" or nonviolence mentioned in Yajurveda?

[Nyingjé Tso]

Vanakkam,

Do what you want, guys, but I've begun reporting him.
We have answered every question be patient even with your spamming of threads, even when you dismissed pretty much every answer every Hindu gave you, telling everyone who did not think the same as you that they are wrong and still INSISTING again and again to tell how we should think, believe, abide, namely by YOUR ideas and abrahamic vision. All under the cover of your "innocent" "questions" and "debates".
Stop harrassing us. We didn't do anything to you. The only thing we are to be blamed of is to have been way too patient and polite with you.
But hey, not our fault after all. "Guest is God", as we Hindu say.

I hope you'll be dealt with, because you are becoming impossible to bear with.

 

[Aupmanyav]

"Animal Sacrifice in India UNSEEN FOOTAGE!!", as per YouTube

So, what is new? Hindus do not claim to be absolute pacifists. Krishna advised us to go to war if our 'dharma' (duty) demanded it. According to the latest reports some 70% of Hindus are non-vegetarians. Killing for food is permitted, though most Hindus will agree that being non-vegetarian is a better way of life. Animal sacrifice (qurbani) has been a part of all religions since time immemorial, except in case of Jainism, Buddhism and many sects of Hinduism. There still are people who think it pleases their God or Goddess, though we are trying to eradicate this view.

Not for Vaishnavas, contains images which will be offensive to many, viewer's discretion requested:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...on-Eid-al-Adha-festival-families-look-on.html. www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF3mK5XRv9E

Well, in the end, whatever one does, the animal is the looser. Or do you think it goes to heaven? In that case, followers of Charvak philosophy said "Why don't you sacrifice your father so that he goes to heaven?"

 

[Aupmanyav]

Is the word "Ahimsa" or nonviolence mentioned in Yajurveda?

Paarsurrey, you have read so many Chapters of Devi Chand's YajurVeda (20 ?), you should be in a better position to tell us about himla/ahimsa (violence/non-violence) in YajurVeda. I have already said, my acquaintance with YajurVeda is very limited. I am sure many verses may have mentioned 'universal welfare' (that wording was more common with Aryans) if not the words 'himsa' and 'ahimsa'.

 

[paarsurrey]

Paarsurrey, you have read so many Chapters of Devi Chand's YajurVeda (20 ?), you should be in a better position to tell us about himla/ahimsa (violence/non-violence) in YajurVeda. I have already said, my acquaintance with YajurVeda is very limited. I am sure many verses may have mentioned 'universal welfare' (that wording was more common with Aryans) if not the words 'himsa' and 'ahimsa'.

Ahimsa- it is core tenets of Hinduism. It must have the exact word/basis in Yajurveda and then explained in detail, of all its aspects. A lone word/verse in the Vedas don't make it a core belief.
It is a new invention at some later period, it was not there in Vedic period. Right? Please

Regards
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[Vinayaka]

Ahimsa- it is core tenets of Hinduism. It must have the exact word/basis in Yajurveda and then explained in detail, of all its aspects. A lone word/verse in the Vedas don't make it a core belief.
It is a new invention at some later period, it was not there in Vedic period. Right? Please
Now please don't ask one of the verses in Veda that support animal and human sacrifice in Vedas. One could search for them in Google. Won't one find?
Please
Regards
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You're forgetting that the Vedas isn't our only scripture. We have many others, including Agamas, etc that are just as ancient, or almost as ancient. The idea that ahimsa developed later is just false. The Tirukkural, a 2200 year old Tamil scripture has entire chapters on ahimsa, and no doubt the writer saint Tiruvalluvar got his ideas from somewhere. Here is a relevant chapter quoted elsewhere on line for you to peruse.

http://ramvenkat-1983.blogspot.ca/2010/07/thirukkural-about-vegetarianism.html

 

[Aupmanyav]

Ahimsa - it is core tenets of Hinduism. It must have the exact word/basis in Yajurveda and then explained in detail, of all its aspects. A lone word/verse in the Vedas don't make it a core belief. It is a new invention at some later period, it was not there in Vedic period. Right?

Not wholly. Unnecessary violence is prohibited in Hinduism, but where without it 'dharma' will be harmed, it is considered necessary and advocated. That is the message of BhagawadGita. Of course, in Jainism it is always prohibited in all conditions. Bahubali, a jain King, could have killed his brother, who have revolted gainst him, with just one punch; but chose to abdicate the throne to avoid bloodshed. Yes, Aryans had there enemies and fought against them.

 

[paarsurrey]

@ post #21.
Thanks for one's politeness. Please
Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Paarsurrey, all Hindus know that there is still some animal sacrifice done in parts of India, and Nepal, and elsewhere.

The essence of Yajurveda could be ascertained, one aspect of it, from frequency of using words "war, foe,battle,destroy,kill,enemy,attack" and the like of them from:
https://archive.org/stream/yajurveda029670mbp/yajurveda029670mbp_djvu.txt
https://archive.org/stream/yajurveda029670mbp/yajurveda029670mbp_djvu.txt
Are these words non-violent? Please
Regards

 

[Jainarayan]

The essence of Yajurveda could be ascertained, one aspect of it, from frequency of using words "war, foe,battle,destroy,kill,enemy,attack" and the like of them from:
https://archive.org/stream/yajurveda029670mbp/yajurveda029670mbp_djvu.txt
Are these words non-violent? Please
Regards

You are reading the words without knowing the context or the scholarship.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahimsa#Self-defence.2C_criminal_law.2C_and_war

 

[Vinayaka]

The essence of Yajurveda could be ascertained, one aspect of it, from frequency of using words "war, foe,battle,destroy,kill,enemy,attack" and the like of them from:
https://archive.org/stream/yajurveda029670mbp/yajurveda029670mbp_djvu.txt
Are these words non-violent? Please
Regards

That's actually quite funny, and a brilliant method ...

 

[paarsurrey]

That's actually quite funny, and a brilliant method ...

The context of the verses and the reasons should be ascertained in the scripture and from the scripture itself as is the case with Quran. The context should not be looked outside of the Vedas. It will be like spoon-feeding the Being who revealed the Vedas on Rishis. Right?
There are so many passages not a single verse.

Yajurveda Chapter XIII Verses 9-13

Words like "O commander of the Army", "extirpator of the foes", "attack them", "destroyer of foes", "kill the foes" are frequently used in the Yajurveda.
https://archive.org/stream/yajurveda029670mbp/yajurveda029670mbp_djvu.txt
https://archive.org/stream/yajurveda029670mbp/yajurveda029670mbp_djvu.txt
Who were these foes? Please
Regards

 

[Vinayaka]

Who were these foes? Please
Regards

Metaphor. Foes are base instincts, character traits that lead you away from God.

 

[paarsurrey]

Metaphor. Foes are base instincts, character traits that lead you away from God.

So, one believes that Vedas are in metaphoric language and one should understand Veda in metaphoric language and not in the literal sense. Right?
That would entail finding metaphoric meaning of the words used in Sanskrit or Hindi or Urdu translations of terms used in Vedic translations, like:

1. Indra Devta
2. Akash Devta
3. Suruj Devta
4. Chand Devta
5. Dharti Devta
6. Agni Devta
7. Vayu Devta
8. Etc, etc,etc ..to ∞.

If so what would be their meaning in metaphoric sense? Please
Anybody and or everybody may give their input, please.
Regards

 

[Jainarayan]

So, one believes that Vedas are in metaphoric language and one should understand Veda in metaphoric language and not in the literal sense. Right?

Wrong. They can contain both metaphor and literalism. I don't see anything literal about the Nasadiya Sukta, or anything metaphorical about how to perform a yajna. You did see yajnas in the Yajur Veda, yes?

See, the difference between Hindus and some other religions is that it's not "either or" for Hindus. We can think outside the box and interpret, or follow literally. The choice is ours.

 

[Vinayaka]

So, one believes that Vedas are in metaphoric language and one should understand Veda in metaphoric language and not in the literal sense. Right?
That would entail finding metaphoric meaning of the words used in Sanskrit or Hindi or Urdu translations of terms used in Vedic translations, like:

1. Indra Devta
2. Akash Devta
3. Suruj Devta
4. Chand Devta
5. Dharti Devta
6. Agni Devta
7. Vayu Devta
8. Etc, etc,etc ..to ∞.

If so what would be their meaning in metaphoric sense? Please
Anybody and or everybody may give their input, please.
Regards

A metaphor means it is an entirely different meaning than the literal meaning. As you perhaps have seen the literal meaning is difficult, let alone a metaphorical meaning. This all brings us back to right now, today, and how we are behaving at this moment. Are we defending dharma, or are we going against dharma?

 

[Aupmanyav]

That would entail finding metaphoric meaning of the words used in Sanskrit or Hindi or Urdu translations of terms used in Vedic translations, like:

Indra, Akash (Dyavuh), Surya (Mitra and Other Adityas), Soma (The Drink and not Moon), Dharti Devi (female - Prithivi), Agni, Vayu (I do not think that was a deity in RigVedic times, it was Rudra or his sons, the Maruts who controlled the winds), etc.

"Tridasha generally includes a set of 31 deities consisting of 12 Ādityas, 11 Rudras, and 8 Vasus with the identity of the other two deities that fill out the 33 varies. They are:
Twelve Ādityas (personified deities) – Mitra, Aryaman, Bhaga, Varuṇa, Dakṣa, Aṃśa, Tvāṣṭṛ, Pūṣan, Vivasvat, Savitṛ, Indra (Śakra), Vishnu. This list sometimes varies in particulars.
Eleven Rudras, consisting of:
Five abstractions – Ānanda "bliss", Vijñāna "knowledge", Manas "thought", Prāṇa "breath" or "life", Vāc "speech",
Five names of Śiva – Īśāna "ruler", Tatpuruṣa "that person", Aghora "not terrible", Vāmadeva "pleasant god", Sadyojāta "born at once"
Ātmā "self"
Eight Vasus (deities of material elements) – Pṛthivī "Earth", Agni "Fire", Antarikṣa "Atmosphere" or "Space", Jal "Water", Vāyu "Wind", Dyauṣ "Sky", Sūrya "Sun", Nakṣatra "Stars", Soma "Moon"
Other sources include the two Aśvins (or Nāsatyas), twin solar deities.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty-three_gods

 

[paarsurrey]

A metaphor means it is an entirely different meaning than the literal meaning. As you perhaps have seen the literal meaning is difficult, let alone a metaphorical meaning. This all brings us back to right now, today, and how we are behaving at this moment. Are we defending dharma, or are we going against dharma?

It is very natural to use poetic tools/devices in poetic verses in vogue in Vedic Times. If Yajurveda used a form of poetry as is common in hymns , then it is expected to use some forms/tools/devices or all of them as is common with poetry. Right?
What are tools of poetry? Please find out, one perhaps already knows. Right?
Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Indra, Akash (Dyavuh), Surya (Mitra and Other Adityas), Soma (The Drink and not Moon), Dharti Devi (female - Prithivi), Agni, Vayu (I do not think that was a deity in RigVedic times, it was Rudra or his sons, the Maruts who controlled the winds), etc.

"Tridasha generally includes a set of 31 deities consisting of 12 Ādityas, 11 Rudras, and 8 Vasus with the identity of the other two deities that fill out the 33 varies. They are:
Twelve Ādityas (personified deities) – Mitra, Aryaman, Bhaga, Varuṇa, Dakṣa, Aṃśa, Tvāṣṭṛ, Pūṣan, Vivasvat, Savitṛ, Indra (Śakra), Vishnu. This list sometimes varies in particulars.
Eleven Rudras, consisting of:
Five abstractions – Ānanda "bliss", Vijñāna "knowledge", Manas "thought", Prāṇa "breath" or "life", Vāc "speech",
Five names of Śiva – Īśāna "ruler", Tatpuruṣa "that person", Aghora "not terrible", Vāmadeva "pleasant god", Sadyojāta "born at once"
Ātmā "self"
Eight Vasus (deities of material elements) – Pṛthivī "Earth", Agni "Fire", Antarikṣa "Atmosphere" or "Space", Jal "Water", Vāyu "Wind", Dyauṣ "Sky", Sūrya "Sun", Nakṣatra "Stars", Soma "Moon"
Other sources include the two Aśvins (or Nāsatyas), twin solar deities.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty-three_gods

Yes, there are many of them.
Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

A metaphor means it is an entirely different meaning than the literal meaning. As you perhaps have seen the literal meaning is difficult, let alone a metaphorical meaning. This all brings us back to right now, today, and how we are behaving at this moment. Are we defending dharma, or are we going against dharma?

Please inquire from friend @Vinayaka , she said metaphor is used in Yajurveda. Right? Please
Regards
#32,#35

 

[Vinayaka]

Please inquire from friend @Vinayaka , she said metaphor is used in Yajurveda. Right? Please
Regards
#32,#35

Yes, I will inquire from Vinayaka. That is where Hindus do most of their inquiring. Aup inquires from Aup, Jainarayan inquires from Jainarayan, etc. Will Paarsurrey follow suit, and inquire from Paarsurrey? That would be very Hindu of him.