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Is there a complete list of countries where Islam spread by the sword?

Kirran

Premium Member
there is no pressure how people accept Islam in most of cases , i recall Indonisian as good exemple .

Indonesia may well be an example of the peaceful and non-pressured spread of Islam. Al-Andalus and Pakistan are good examples of the opposite. Over the last 1,400 years, there's been quite a bit of variation in how Islam has been spread, and how it's been interpreted.
 

Kirran

Premium Member
Wikipedia, sourcing a history of Bali, said "Through assimilation related to trade, royal conversion, and conquest, Islam had supplanted Hinduism and Buddhism as the dominant religion of Java andSumatra by the end of the 16th century.". So a mixture, it seems. As per usual, with most religions.
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
Arabs who were Muslim.



Wikipedia is saying that Muslim sources (specifically from the 19th Century) claim she was a Jew.






Bull****. Armies don't march into an area, sell roses and either settle peacefully or leave. They fight, raid, ransack and make things a general misery. Muslim armies are/were no exception.

Kahina's rise to power was against the backdrop of the Muslim conquest of Carthage (and subsequent subjugation of North Africa).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_the_Maghreb
your Wikipedia sources i said is bais , and not valid in my history .
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
Wikipedia, sourcing a history of Bali, said "Through assimilation related to trade, royal conversion, and conquest, Islam had supplanted Hinduism and Buddhism as the dominant religion of Java andSumatra by the end of the 16th century.". So a mixture, it seems. As per usual, with most religions.
I don't have any trust in Wikipedia source about Islam ,which made critic Islam History or lie about Islam , without make reference from Muslim sources
 
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Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
Since it's seems Byzantine are occupated north َAfrica , the origin resident Berbers accept Islam without war .

Partially true.

Many Berber's hated the Romans due to years of oppression, so they joined with the Arab armies willingly.

It is also true that other Berbers fought with the Romans against the Arabs. There was significant Berber resistance to Arab rule for many decades (acknowledged in both Muslim and non-Muslim sources).

So, some Berbers accepted Islam without war, but others didn't.

[Then there was the Berber revolt around 740 which lasted several years and in which the Berbers wiped out an entire Arab army, although this was after the spread of Islam.]
 

The Emperor of Mankind

Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
your Wikipedia sources i said is bais , and not valid in my history .

On what grounds do you consider Wikipedia to be biased? They at least reference their sources (some of which include Muslim sources, by the way). Your stance is hypocritical considering you're willing to use it when it suits you.

Since it's seems Byzantine are occupated north َAfrica , the origin resident Berbers accept Islam without war .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numidia


so its like USA kicked Russia from Afghanistan .

And it's worth pointing out that in the main body of the Wiki entry on Numidia, neither Islam nor the Arabs are mentioned at all. The only way they're mentioned is through an other part in Wikipedia's series on Algeria. Specifically the 'Arab conquest of the Maghreb'.

Funny, that.
 

The Emperor of Mankind

Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
I don't have any trust in Wikipedia source about Islam ,which made critic Islam History or lie about Islam , without make reference from Muslim sources

And there it is. If something challenges your beliefs or voices a dissenting point of view it is automatically untrustworthy.

Confirmation bias as clear as day.
 
Wikipedia, sourcing a history of Bali, said "Through assimilation related to trade, royal conversion, and conquest, Islam had supplanted Hinduism and Buddhism as the dominant religion of Java andSumatra by the end of the 16th century.". So a mixture, it seems. As per usual, with most religions.

The Balinese Hindus are the remnants of the Majapahit Empire that retreated there after the expansion of competing Muslim Sultanates across Java.

But, to be fair, the Majapahit Empire didn't become an Empire through gentle persuasion either.
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
On what grounds do you consider Wikipedia to be biased? They at least reference their sources (some of which include Muslim sources, by the way). Your stance is hypocritical considering you're willing to use it when it suits you.

And it's worth pointing out that in the main body of the Wiki entry on Numidia, neither Islam nor the Arabs are mentioned at all. The only way they're mentioned is through an other part in Wikipedia's series on Algeria. Specifically the 'Arab conquest of the Maghreb'.

Funny, that
When it's lie or claim about My religion that bais , which i consider itanti-Islam more than show truth .

when it's being neutral (not oriented) that ok .

do you get my point ?
 

Kirran

Premium Member
I don't have any trust in Wikipedia source about Islam ,which made critic Islam History or lie about Islam , without make reference from Muslim sources

Wikipedia as a source, I agree. But Wikipedia sources its information.


There hasn't been one way it reached them. It varied very widely in its mode of dispersal, as with most, if not all, religions.
 

The Emperor of Mankind

Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
When it's lie or claim about My religion that bais , which i consider itanti-Islam more than show truth .

when it's being neutral (not oriented) that ok .

do you get my point ?

Not really because you haven't shown why or how what I've been quoting Wikipedia on is a lie. What even is a neutral article on Islam to you?

And the emboldened part again shows you're engaging in confirmation bias.
 

Kirran

Premium Member
Godobeyer, it is certainly nonsense to claim that conversions to Islam have been at swordpoint, literally. Of course, a handful will have been done like this, but only a tiny amount.

It is also nonsense, on the other hand, to say that there has never been any coercion or social/economic pressure on non-Muslims to convert to Islam. In many cases, true, there hasn't been any coercion or pressure. But in a great many cases, there have, such as in some of the examples I have mentioned.

I get the feeling you are convinced enough that Islam has only ever spread with no pressure at all whatsoever that any evidence to the contrary will be ignored. I hope this is not the case.
 

Flankerl

Well-Known Member
rude as usual !

Better be rude than to be oblivious of basic history.




Azerbaijan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_Persia
Egypt: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_Egypt

Guinea: "The Ghana Empire is believed to be the earliest of these which grew on trade but contracted and ultimately fell due to the hostile influence of the Almoravids. It was in this period that Islam first arrived in the region." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guinea#West_African_empires_and_Kingdoms_in_Guinea

Iran: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_Persia

Kyrgyzstan: Satuq Bughra Khan converted to Islam in 934, killed his pagan father. Under his rule and those after him the
Kara-Khanid Khanate conquered the Buddhist areas that are now Muslim. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kara-Khanid_Khanate#Conquest_of_western_Tarim_Basin

Maldives: Probably through trade: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maldives#Islamic_Period , but before you start to use this as a perfect example for your case you might want to take into equation that Islam is the state religion of the Maledives in a rather radical way (well at least for people in the decadent West): Every citizen of the Maledives needs to be a Muslim. You simply aren't allowed to be a non-Muslim. Too bad that they will drown. (well not really bad, though its sad for the Islands)

Mauritania: "The Muslim conquest of the Maghreb in the 7th and 8th centuries did not reach as far south, and Islam came to Mauritania only gradually, from about the 11th century, in the context of the wider Islamization of the Sudan and medieval Arab slave trade." "The Islamization of Mauritania was a gradual process that spanned more than 500 years. Beginning slowly through contacts with Berber and Arab merchants engaged in the important caravan trades and rapidly advancing through the Almoravid conquests, Islamization did not take firm hold until the arrival of Yemeni Arabs in the 12th and 13th centuries and was not complete until several centuries later. Gradual Islamization was accompanied by a process of Arabization as well, during which the Berber masters of Mauritania lost power and became vassals of their Arab conquerors." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Mauritania

Niger: "Islam was spread into what is now Niger beginning in the 15th century, by both the expansion of the Songhai Empire in the west, and the influence of the Trans-Saharan trade traveling from the Maghreb and Egypt. Tuareg expansion from the north, culminating in their seizure of the far eastern oases from the Kanem-Bornu Empire in the 17th centuries, spread distinctively Berber practices. Both Zarma and Hausa areas were greatly influenced by the 18th and 19th century Fula led Sufi brotherhoods, most notably the Sokoto Caliphate (in today's Nigeria)." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Niger#History

Nigeria: Hummay who took the throne (the choice of words implies in a non-peaceful manner, today we would call it a civil war) from King Mai Selma of the Kanem Empire started the Islamisation of the Kanem Empire. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanem_Empire#Sayfawa_Dynasty
 

Flankerl

Well-Known Member
Senegal: No one really knows, probably Arab slave trade and influence from conquered North Africa.

Sudan: Through trade and intermarriage, which is funny because that only happened because Egypt failed to conquer Sudan repeatedly. "
Following the 8th-century Muslim conquest of North Africa, Arab Muslims began leading expeditions into Sub-Saharan Africa - first along the Nile Valley towards Nubia and later across the Sahara into West Africa. Much of this contact was motivated by interest in trans-Saharan trade, particularly the slave trade.
The proliferation of Islamic influence was a largely gradual process. The Christian kingdoms of Nubia were the first to experience Arab incursion starting in the 7th century, though they held out through the Middle Ages until the Kingdom of Makuria and Old Dongola both collapsed in the early 14th century." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamization_of_the_Sudan_region

Turkey: Really? Turkey? You are asking how Islam reached Asia Minor and Anatolia? I mean seriously you are asking how the centre of Orthodox Christianity ended up in Muslim hands? Really?
I don't know if you are just that unknowing, naive or straight out lying.

Tajikistan: Parts of it were conquered under the Umayyad Caliphate, the rest was conquered by the Samanid Empire. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_Transoxiana , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samanid_Empire

Uzbekistan: Partly conquered by the Umayyad Caliphate, entirely conquered by the Abbasid Caliphate. "Following the First Fitna, the Umayyads resumed the push to capture Sassanid lands and began to move towards the conquest of lands east and north of the plateau towards Greater Khorasan and the Silk Road along Transoxiana. Following the collapse of the Sassanids, these regions had fallen under the sway of local Iranian and Turkic tribes as well as the Tang Dynasty. The conquest of Transoxiana (Ar. Ma wara' al-nahr) was chiefly the work of Qutayba ibn Muslim, who between 705 and 715 expanded Muslim control over Sogdiana, Khwarezm and the Jaxartes valley up to Ferghana. Following Qutayba's death in 715, local revolts and the defeats at the hands of the Chinese-sponsored Turgesh (chiefly the "Day of Thirst" in 724 and the Battle of the Defile in 731) led to a gradual loss of the province: by 738, the Turgesh and their Sogdian allies were raiding Khurasan south of the Oxus. However, the murder of the Turgesh khagan, Su-lu, and the conciliatory policies of Nasr ibn Sayyar towards the native population opened the way for a swift, albeit not total, restoration of Muslim control over Transoxiana in 739–741. Muslim control over the region was consolidated with the defeat of the armies of Tang China in the Battle of Talas in 751." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests#Conquest_of_Transoxiana:_662.E2.80.93751

Yemen: The bad part of the earliest Islamic history is that no one knows anything about it apart from the current religious dogmas.

China: Trade, anything else would've been suicide. "
Islam was brought to China during the Tang dynasty by Arab traders, who were primarily concerned with trading and commerce, and not concerned at all with spreading Islam. They did not try to convert Chinese at all and only did commerce. It was because of this low profile that the 845 anti-Buddhist edict during the Great Anti-Buddhist Persecution said absolutely nothing about Islam.[15] It seems that trade occupied the attention of the early Muslim settlers rather than religious propagandism; that while they observed the tenets and practised the rites of their faith in China, they did not undertake any strenuous campaign against either Buddhism, Confucianism, Taoism, or the State creed, and that they constituted a floating rather than a fixed element of the population, coming and going between China and the West by the oversea or the overland routes.[16][17]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_China#Tang_dynasty
 
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