Is there a Migrant crisis

[metis]

Personally, I feel this is an incredibly bogus argument, in that it suggests that this was an unusual event in human history. It was not. That said, if, as you say, you are living on "stolen land" when did you plan to return your parcel of land to the nearest First Nations individual?

I don't believe history is somehow reversable as those ships have sailed. But what does anger me is how insensitive some people are with the plight of so many who are suffering. If we and most other countries had helped those people early on, this situation would likely have been less severe.

BTW, that "event" wasn't that "unusual" at all.

 

[metis]

I'm guessing indigenous nations possessed those very same lands from the very beginning of humanity.

Nope.

 

[Shaul]

But that's not what I said, that they cross the border "based on those claims." It's just a historical fact that bears remembering and I think I made that clear. Once inside the borders they settle in various states, but within the United States, almost 60 percent of Mexican immigrants live in California or Texas.

Which means 40% don't. I helped make my point.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Nope.

Wasn't that the ten lost tribes of Israel? You know, all of the white Indians.

 

[anna.]

Which means 40% don't. I helped make my point.

Not sure what your point even was.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Hasn't New York been seeing waves of immigrants, and nativist opposition, for a couple of centuries?

I think at different times in the past NYC was the largest city for a host of different nationalities and ethnicities.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Taking your request far more seriously than is merited,

Huh?

I just asked for a source.

I would ask you to recall a scant few years ago, when the term "illegal alien" was routinely used to describe people who entered a given country by illegal means. The term was used by both sides of the political aisle. At a certain point, it became deemed to be stigmatizing to these poor unfortunates that were leaving their homelands for whatever reason. This was a distinct perception shift in order to destigmatize these people, given that calling someone an "illegal" is not a very nice thing to say, even when true. Calling them "migrants" almost forgives the fact that they still are moving between countries illegally.

The bottom line? If you kick in my front door, about the last thing I will do is offer you dinner, a room to sleep in, a new ipad, school for your kids, etc. If one goes through the accepted immigration process, without queue-jumping at border choke points, I'd accept them with open arms.

Dude, I just asked you for a source for the very specific statistical claim you made. None of this has anything to do with what I asked.

I just want to see the numbers, that's all. I expressed no skepticism, not even criticism. I just want to see where you got that statistic. That's all.

 

[YmirGF]

Huh?

I just asked for a source.


Dude, I just asked you for a source for the very specific statistical claim you made. None of this has anything to do with what I asked.

I just want to see the numbers, that's all. I expressed no skepticism, not even criticism. I just want to see where you got that statistic. That's all.

My apologies. As some aging rockers once opined, "You can't always get what you want."

 

[Secret Chief]

Hasn't New York been seeing waves of immigrants, and nativist opposition, for a couple of centuries?

Yes! And that should act as a warning, cos look what happened to the natives last time...

 

[ImmortalFlame]

My apologies. As some aging rockers once opined, "You can't always get what you want."

So... where did you get the idea that the vast majority of migrants are illegals?

 

[Friend of Mara]

So... where did you get the idea that the vast majority of migrants are illegals?

"Wildly inaccurate statement"
"Um source?"
*long drag of a cig* "Sources are for liberals"

 

[anna.]

I don't disagree with anything you've said, and you said it very well.

I too am mindful of the indigenous peoples of my region, and of our history of overreach and meddling into countries south of us and disastrous results of that. And China's Belt and Road initiatives in South America and across the globe are something to keep in mind also.

Speaking of our history of overreach and meddling into countries south of us...

https://www.npr.org/2023/09/10/1193755188/chile-coup-50-years-pinochet-kissinger-human-rights-allende

50 years ago: Henry Kissinger and the death of democracy in Chile

Kissinger is still alive and should be held accountable for his war crimes

robertreich.substack.com

 

[Valjean]

Yes! And that should act as a warning, cos look what happened to the natives last time...

They eventually integrated with the immigrants and became neighbors?

 

[Valjean]

Speaking of our history of overreach and meddling into countries south of us...

https://www.npr.org/2023/09/10/1193755188/chile-coup-50-years-pinochet-kissinger-human-rights-allende

50 years ago: Henry Kissinger and the death of democracy in Chile

Kissinger is still alive and should be held accountable for his war crimes

robertreich.substack.com

Not just Allende. The American Empire has been annexing territory, overthrowing regimes, installing dictators, and occupying foreign territory since the 1800's. The nation-building's only been accelerating since the end of WWII.

 

[Secret Chief]

They eventually integrated with the immigrants and became neighbors?

Yes, after the attempted genocide of inferior peoples, their enslavement, their deaths from smallpox (the virgin soil epidemic) and the stealing of their land.

 

[Valjean]

Yes, after the attempted genocide of inferior peoples, their enslavement, their deaths from smallpox (the virgin soil epidemic) and the stealing of their land.

Are we talking about the Irish/Italians/Jews/Germans, or native Americans?

 

[Secret Chief]

Are we talking about the Irish/Italians/Jews/Germans, or native Americans?

Er I meant the latter. Feel free to ignore.

 

[Firenze]

Are we talking about the Irish/Italians/Jews/Germans, or native Americans?

Which group had their land stolen?

 

[icehorse]

I keep remembering that they're traveling across country that used to belong to them.

In your opinion, who in the world is NOT living on stolen land?

(I've thought for a long time that the English ought to return England to the Druids!)

And the Navajos ought to give their nation back to the Utes(?), and so on..

 

[We Never Know]

When you have a human overpopulation crisis - especially when combined with environmental crises - you have get a human migration crisis. The two kind of go hand in hand. Organisms live where the habitat is suitable for their flourishing and leave (if able) when it isn't.

With the US politics a mess, medical ridiculous, homelessness rising, the numbers going hungry rising, all the drugs, all the mass shootings, inflation at record highs, etc etc... Why would any one wants to come here?