Is there any other religion other than Christianity that is based on grace not works ?

[markymark]

All other relgion are based on rules or works - let me give you an example:imagine if a parent said to there child , here are a list of rules if you do them i will love you - but if you dont do them i wont love you and i wont be your Parent anymore - to me thats a horrible relationship but thats what many religions believe - (including Mormonism, Islam, Hinduism, and Buddhism) state that you must earn the right to be reconciled with God - but not Christianity.


“The difference between Christianity and every other faith in the world is that all other religions are about man trying to reach up to God. Christianity is about God reaching down to man.”

This is a very important distinction, and it is core to what I believe, so I would like to try to clarify what I mean. Here is the way I am defining religion:

Religion is a system of beliefs or a code of moral conduct that judges (qualifies or disqualifies) a person based on their adherence and obedience to certain codes, rules, laws, traditions, or the performance of required acts.

definition of Grace :

A favor rendered by one who need not do so; indulgence.

peace to all

 

[godlikemadman]

Let me give YOU an example: a child has literally raised himself from birth, through the help of other kids his age. At one point this kid develops a moral compass, a mental set of rules, but over time figures a parental figure taught him these rules at a young age, even though the child has never seen him. The child holds belief that his parents exist even though they have never manifested themselves to him, but eventually this belief begins to fade as the child reaches adulthood and is able to care for himself. Though he holds out hope that his parents exist and love him, the likelihood is highly improbable.

This a probably a more apt example.

 

[Katzpur]

All other relgion are based on rules or works - let me give you an example:imagine if a parent said to there child , here are a list of rules if you do them i will love you - but if you dont do them i wont love you and i wont be your Parent anymore - to me thats a horrible relationship but thats what many religions believe - (including Mormonism, Islam, Hinduism, and Buddhism) state that you must earn the right to be reconciled with God - but not Christianity.

FYI, Mormonism is part of Christianity, and you obviously don't know a whole lot about it to have made the statement you just did.

 

[markymark]

Let me give YOU an example: a child has literally raised himself from birth, through the help of other kids his age. At one point this kid develops a moral compass, a mental set of rules, but over time figures a parental figure taught him these rules at a young age, even though the child has never seen him. The child holds belief that his parents exist even though they have never manifested themselves to him, but eventually this belief begins to fade as the child reaches adulthood and is able to care for himself. Though he holds out hope that his parents exist and love him, the likelihood is highly improbable.

This a probably a more apt example.

honestly i cant make sense of what you are saying ... what does that have to do with grace and works i was explaining how God sees humans ... as his children ....can you shed some light on the actual question asked ?

 

[markymark]

FYI, Mormonism is part of Christianity, and you obviously don't know a whole lot about it to have made the statement you just did.

its got nothing to do with Christianity, its not mention in the bible.

Mormonism is a form of Christian primitivism that shares a common set of beliefs with the rest of the Latter Day Saint movement, including use of, and belief in, the Bible, as well as other religious texts including the Book of Mormon and Doctrine and Covenants. It differs from other Latter Day Saint movement traditions (such as the Community of Christ) in that it also accepts the Pearl of Great Price as part of its scriptural canon, and has a history of teaching eternal marriage, eternal progression, and plural marriage (although the LDS Church had abandoned the practice by the early 20th century). Cultural Mormonism includes a lifestyle promoted by the Mormon institutions, and includes cultural Mormons who identify with the culture, but not necessarily the theology.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism

they have there own book of mormon - nothing to do with Christianity..they dont belive in the same concepts

 

[godlikemadman]

I'm saying your example is flawed. This is your example:

let me give you an example:imagine if a parent said to there child , here are a list of rules if you do them i will love you - but if you dont do them i wont love you and i wont be your Parent anymore

Your example hinges on the fact that the child has even SEEN the parent, and the list was physically DELIVERED BY the parent.

Your example is flawed, and so is your logic.

 

[Student of X]

Kripa (philosophy) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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[markymark]

I'm saying your example is flawed. This is your example:



Your example hinges on the fact that the child has even SEEN the parent, and the list was physically DELIVERED BY the parent.

Your example is flawed, and so is your logic.

ok so you are saying if God revealed himself you would believe in him yeah of course you would so would everyone on earth , but he wants us to believe in him without seeing him eg faith , which means trust him , tell who would not belive if God revealed himself - that would defeat the object of trust ...

 

[markymark]

Kripa (philosophy) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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The Hindu philosopher Madhvacharya held that grace was not a gift from God, but rather must be earned.[4]

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

All other relgion are based on rules or works - let me give you an example:imagine if a parent said to there child , here are a list of rules if you do them i will love you - but if you dont do them i wont love you and i wont be your Parent anymore - to me thats a horrible relationship but thats what many religions believe - (including Mormonism, Islam, Hinduism, and Buddhism) state that you must earn the right to be reconciled with God - but not Christianity.

This is both an incomplete understanding of both Christianity (At least the pre Constantine "types" of Christianity) and of other religions. For the following reasons:

-There is no need of Salvation in Hinduism, because we do not believe in original sin. In Hinduism we only have to understand our true nature of Unity. So we don't need to follow rules to be saved. We have no need of salvation.

-Buddhism rejects the need of help from God in general.

-Christianity expected a very high level of behavior early on. Christians would give all their money to the poor and refuse to worship the Roman Gods or join the Army. They would have to die for there beliefs. So yes you were saved by grace but your whole life had to change if you wanted to stay in good standing in your church.

 

[Student of X]

The wine of divine grace is limitless;
All limits come only from the faults of the cup.
Moonlight floods the whole sky from horizon to horizon;
How much it can fill your room depends on its windows.
Grant a great dignity, my friend, to the cup of your life;
Love has designed it to hold His eternal wine. -Rumi

 

[markymark]

This is both an incomplete understanding of both Christianity (At least the pre Constantine "types" of Christianity) and of other religions. For the following reasons:

-There is no need of Salvation in Hinduism, because we do not believe in original sin. In Hinduism we only have to understand our true nature of Unity. So we don't need to follow rules to be saved. We have no need of salvation.

-Buddhism rejects the need of help from God in general.

-Christianity expected a very high level of behavior early on. Christians would give all their money to the poor and refuse to worship the Roman Gods or join the Army. They would have to die for there beliefs. So yes you were saved by grace but your whole life had to change if you wanted to stay in good standing in your church.

yes there was a law , the whole of the OT is about the law , but bible tells us to live by the NT and when Jesus died on the cross there was a new covernante - Grace only entered the picture after Jesus died for us.

'You must love the LORD your God with all your heart, all your soul, all your strength, and all your mind.' And, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'"

THIS COVERS THE WHOLE LAW


-There is no need of Salvation in Hinduism, because we do not believe in original sin. In Hinduism we only have to understand our true nature of Unity. So we don't need to follow rules to be saved. We have no need of salvation.

but why not all humans have sined eg: lied - disoebyed there parents ,been selfish , lustfill - dont you agree ?

 

[idav]

“The difference between Christianity and every other faith in the world is that all other religions are about man trying to reach up to God. Christianity is about God reaching down to man.”

Saved by grace is one of few theologies like that. The reason is because Christianity would have one believe that humans are incapable of doing anything good let alone reach god. Sad sort of notion to have toward humanity. God doesn't need to be a crutch and stay in the trenches, we are full capable of actually doing good.

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

yes there was a law , the whole of the OT is about the law , but bible tells us to live by the NT and when Jesus died on the cross there was a new covernante - Grace only entered the picture after Jesus died for us.

'You must love the LORD your God with all your heart, all your soul, all your strength, and all your mind.' And, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'"

THIS COVERS THE WHOLE LAW

But you said this.

All other relgion are based on rules or works - let me give you an example:imagine if a parent said to there child , here are a list of rules if you do them i will love you - but if you dont do them i wont love you and i wont be your Parent anymore - to me thats a horrible relationship but thats what many religions believe - (including Mormonism, Islam, Hinduism, and Buddhism) state that you must earn the right to be reconciled with God - but not Christianity.

I showed that you are wrong and you changed the subject. You said I believed something I do not. Now your quoting your scriptures at me that have nothing to do with the OP.

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

but why not all humans have sined eg: lied - disoebyed there parents ,been selfish , lustfill - dont you agree ?

I do not agree with the concept of sin. I do not believe that anything can take away our true nature. God is in us all. Bad behavior just clouds your view of God. Good behavior clears the mind out of the way so we can realize our true nature and be One with God. All is God there is nothing that is not God. Their is no eternal hell all will go back to the ONE that is God.

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

The Hindu philosopher Madhvacharya held that grace was not a gift from God, but rather must be earned.[4]

The sect of Madhva is different then every other sect of Hinduism. In that he rejects the concept of All is One completely. He still does not accept the concept of original Sin. So even his philosophy does not agree with the OP.

 

[Vinayaka]

All other relgion are based on rules or works - let me give you an example:imagine if a parent said to there child , here are a list of rules if you do them i will love you - but if you dont do them i wont love you and i wont be your Parent anymore - to me thats a horrible relationship but thats what many religions believe - (including Mormonism, Islam, Hinduism, and Buddhism) state that you must earn the right to be reconciled with God - but not Christianity.

“The difference between Christianity and every other faith in the world is that all other religions are about man trying to reach up to God. Christianity is about God reaching down to man.”

This is a very important distinction, and it is core to what I believe, so I would like to try to clarify what I mean. Here is the way I am defining religion:

Religion is a system of beliefs or a code of moral conduct that judges (qualifies or disqualifies) a person based on their adherence and obedience to certain codes, rules, laws, traditions, or the performance of required acts.
definition of Grace :
A favor rendered by one who need not do so; indulgence.
peace to all

I honestly don't think you know much about other religions. Have you studied them all to any great degree?

 

[markymark]

Saved by grace is one of few theologies like that. The reason is because Christianity would have one believe that humans are incapable of doing anything good let alone reach god. Sad sort of notion to have toward humanity. God doesn't need to be a crutch and stay in the trenches, we are full capable of actually doing good.

yes of course we are ..we have free choice ...but every single person has sinned ...small or big...do you agree eg:lied or been selfish

 

[markymark]

But you said this.


I showed that you are wrong and you changed the subject. You said I believed something I do not. Now your quoting your scriptures at me that have nothing to do with the OP.

i am not i am responding tom you comment were you said i did not understand Christianity

 

[markymark]

I do not agree with the concept of sin. I do not believe that anything can take away our true nature. God is in us all. Bad behavior just clouds your view of God. Good behavior clears the mind out of the way so we can realize our true nature and be One with God. All is God there is nothing that is not God. Their is no eternal hell all will go back to the ONE that is God.

so are you saying you have never lied or been selfish or been lustful ?