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Is there any room in the either party for a person like me?

I hate Sharia Law! I believe in the right to bear arms! I respect military veterans.

At the same time I think gender roles are bull****! I believe people should be encouraged to follow their dreams! Not be pressured into having children!
 
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idav

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You might be in one of those spectrums where Democrat and Republican overlap some.

I don't think sharia is good for the US. I don't think anyone is trying to take our guns. I do also agree gender roles are a joke. I would just go by candidates issues.
 

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I hate Sharia Law! I believe in the right to bear arms! I respect military veterans.

At the same time I think gender roles are bull****! I believe people should be encouraged to follow their dreams! Not be pressured into having children!
You're clearly not a conservative if you judge the current President conservative since he attacked a war hero. I'm on the left and believe strongly in the ideals of America which include not imposing religious law, Islamic or Christian or any other on people. I believe people do have a right to arms under the Constitution but that's not an absolute right just as none of the other rights are absolute.
 
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Shadow Wolf

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Anymore, I think Dems and Reps really only cater to mindless drone fan boys and girls. If it wasn't for things like health care, LBGT rights, and unions I wouldn't even bother voting for the Dems because they really don't represent my views that well, but voting for them isn't shooting myself in the leg like it would be if I were to vote for Reps.
 

idav

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Anymore, I think Dems and Reps really only cater to mindless drone fan boys and girls. If it wasn't for things like health care, LBGT rights, and unions I wouldn't even bother voting for the Dems because they really don't represent my views that well, but voting for them isn't shooting myself in the leg like it would be if I were to vote for Reps.
Well both sides are still represented by religious populous but one side is less inclined to mix church and state. A couple of states are kinda bad in that regard, Texas and Arkansas, in fact Texas has a law you can't even be a politician without confessing belief in God.
 

Daemon Sophic

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I hate Sharia Law! I believe in the right to bear arms! I respect military veterans.

At the same time I think gender roles are bull****! I believe people should be encouraged to follow their dreams! Not be pressured into having children!
Sharia law has never been a danger to any of the United States of America. The only theocracy we have to battle is Christianity, as enforced by the conservatives (read: Republicans :mad:).
The right to bear arms has never been challenged by either party.
"Respecting" and 'actually providing for' are two different things. Dems have always (after 1974) done both. Republicans give bombastic lip service to our vets, but often quietly try to remove any help our government has tried to deliver.

Your social features are clearly in the Progressive camp, which (if you had to chose one of the two main parties :() would clearly put you in with the Dems.
 

Shadow Wolf

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Your social features are clearly in the Progressive camp, which (if you had to chose one of the two main parties :() would clearly put you in with the Dems.
Progressivism isn't synonymous with a Liberal, and it's far more than just social views. They also pushed an economic agenda but busted up corporate conglomerates and was also more favorable to the working class (and environment, in the case of Teddy Roosevelt). If anything, Progressives are closer to Democratic Socialists than they are the Capitalist friendly Liberal, who is generally defined as favoring social equality while favoring social welfare rather than restructuring the entire system (or just abolishing and replacing it as those on the further Left stand for).
And, not only that, I agree with the OP on all points, and there is no way I am clearly in the Dems as I see them as a very major problem in America. The really only major differences are the Dems favor social welfare and women/minority rights and aren't bringing the church with them. Other than that, they're just as guilty as perpetuating the system that gives the bulk of everything to the wealthiest of Americans while seeing to it that everybody else is thrown some table scraps.
 

Daemon Sophic

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I agree with your second paragraph entirely, and I don't consider the traditional Dems to be Progressive anymore. I tend to vote for Dems over Pubs, but I'm not registered to their party. Yes, over the last 4 decades, the Dems have become Reaganesque in their plans and motives. :rolleyes::mad:
And, not only that, I agree with the OP on all points, and there is no way I am clearly in the Dems as I see them as a very major problem in America. The really only major differences are the Dems favor social welfare and women/minority rights and aren't bringing the church with them. Other than that, they're just as guilty as perpetuating the system that gives the bulk of everything to the wealthiest of Americans while seeing to it that everybody else is thrown some table scraps.

As to your first paragraph....
Progressivism isn't synonymous with a Liberal, and it's far more than just social views. They also pushed an economic agenda but busted up corporate conglomerates and was also more favorable to the working class (and environment, in the case of Teddy Roosevelt). If anything, Progressives are closer to Democratic Socialists than they are the Capitalist friendly Liberal, who is generally defined as favoring social equality while favoring social welfare rather than restructuring the entire system (or just abolishing and replacing it as those on the further Left stand for).
I disagree. They are nearly synonymous. The Progressives/Liberals have similar social features as espoused in the OP, and both are the most ardent opponents of corporate chronyism, which is the defining feature of the Republicans.
As we note above in your 2nd paragraph, it is the right-leaning Dems who have sold their souls down the river for corporate backing in the last 40 years.

If the terms "Liberal" and "Progressive" have anything which separates them, conotatively, then it would be the emotional extreme of the Liberal, beyond the normal Progressive. The Liberal ties himself to trees, races in front of the whaling ship's harpoon, and hacks a Fortune 500 database to expose corruption. While the Progressive might also do that last one, he or she is more like the ideals expressed by Bernie....that there is a path forward, using the political system to dismantle the monopolistic corporations and their political power (overturn Citizens United); to provide a financially responible single-payer system; and to start reconstituting the middle class and our nation's desperate infrastructure.
 

Shadow Wolf

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I disagree. They are nearly synonymous.
Here is an article touching on the differences:
What's the Difference Between a Liberal and a Progressive? | HuffPost

“Isn’t ‘progressive’ just another name for ‘liberal’ that people want to use because ‘liberal’ has become a bad word?”

The answer, in my opinion, is no - there is a fundamental difference when it comes to core economic issues. It seems to me that traditional “liberals” in our current parlance are those who focus on using taxpayer money to help better society. A “progressive” are those who focus on using government power to make large institutions play by a set of rules.
The Liberal ties himself to trees, races in front of the whaling ship's harpoon, and hacks a Fortune 500 database to expose corruption. While the Progressive might also do that last one, he or she is more like the ideals expressed by Bernie....
Those sort of actions do not define political ideologies. Individual groups, perhaps, but not entire movements. For the most part, Progressives started dwindling around the mid-20th century, and took another blow from Reagan-nomics, something that has moved the Democrat party away from Progressivism and towards Liberalism.
Or, think of it this way: Teddy Roosevelt was a Progressive - The Clintons are Liberal. The Clintons played nice with Corporations and let them reign, Roosevelt lined them up and chopped them down.
 
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