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Is there life after death?

savethedreams

Active Member
Not thinking in terms of any religion and/or religious book. I'm a spiritual atheist/agnostic who like teaching of taoist and humanist.

Is there? Ghost? Spirits? can they tell us, this is most likely the top questions I have in life.
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
Although an agnostic, I believe the awareness of self does survive death. This comes from my acquaintance with reports of near death experience. If you're curious here are three sites that may interest you.

 

Penumbra

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Not thinking in terms of any religion and/or religious book. I'm a spiritual atheist/agnostic who like teaching of taoist and humanist.

Is there? Ghost? Spirits? can they tell us, this is most likely the top questions I have in life.
I don't think so.

I don't see why this should be a top question in life. I think the top question should be how to best live this life.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
If there is no life after death....then the next question has no answer.

What are you here for?

Of course your body is designed to have incoming info....aimed to your head.
Your are here to learn all that you can.

For what? if you really believe nothing comes of your death?
 

MissAlice

Well-Known Member
Not thinking in terms of any religion and/or religious book. I'm a spiritual atheist/agnostic who like teaching of taoist and humanist.

Is there? Ghost? Spirits? can they tell us, this is most likely the top questions I have in life.

I think that's a safer assumption than to assume what we don't know. My personal experiences may or may not have been what I originally presumed them to be but still I think my experience alone is the only way I can help interpret my own reality provided you have a healthy dose of skepticism.

As for the rest, I think it's safe to say we don't know what happens after death. I think it's better to create as much meaning as possible while we're still alive or at least live life to the fullest or at least to the happiest. Having lost people recently has made me realize how quickly and inevitably life can end.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Not thinking in terms of any religion and/or religious book. I'm a spiritual atheist/agnostic who like teaching of taoist and humanist.

Is there? Ghost? Spirits? can they tell us, this is most likely the top questions I have in life.

I'm not privy to ghosts or spirits as I see nothing supernatural about the phenomena.

Most if not all evidences presented so far are clearly suspicious and fraudulent as they are presented.
 

savethedreams

Active Member
If there is no life after death....then the next question has no answer.

What are you here for?

Of course your body is designed to have incoming info....aimed to your head.
Your are here to learn all that you can.

For what? if you really believe nothing comes of your death?

No my answer to most questions would be solved by saying what happens after death. the answer to 'what are you here for' is all relatie regardless of what happens afterwards.
 

jarofthoughts

Empirical Curmudgeon
Although an agnostic, I believe the awareness of self does survive death. This comes from my acquaintance with reports of near death experience.

First; the plural of anecdote is not data.
Secondly, witness accounts are considered the absolute lowest form of evidence in science, for good reason, and no-one would accept this as scientific evidence.
Thirdly, knowing how easily our brains can be fooled, especially at times of duress, I would be more surprised if we didn't have stories like this.

In other words; I stand by my previous statement; there is absolutely no reason to think that there is an afterlife.
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
First; the plural of anecdote is not data.
And blueberries don't sound like Louis Armstrong. We good now? :facepalm:

Secondly, witness accounts are considered the absolute lowest form of evidence in science, for good reason, and no-one would accept this as scientific evidence.
No they're not the lowest. Hearsay is. :p

Thirdly, knowing how easily our brains can be fooled, especially at times of duress, I would be more surprised if we didn't have stories like this.
Let us know if you ever become surprised then. :sleep:

In other words; I stand by my previous statement; there is absolutely no reason to think that there is an afterlife.
Stand wherever you like. :run:
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
No my answer to most questions would be solved by saying what happens after death. the answer to 'what are you here for' is all relatie regardless of what happens afterwards.

So life after death is not related to life BEFORE death?
 

The Sum of Awe

Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.
Staff member
Premium Member
Is there? Ghost? Spirits? can they tell us, this is most likely the top questions I have in life.

It's funny because when I asked an ouijia board if there was existence after we died it said no, so I concluded either the ouijia board fails or that ghosts are probably just another species of animal that we haven't discovered yet.

Though, I'm extremely in denial of waking up dead, other words meaning after life.

If there was a God and an afterlife, what would be the point of death?

A. Because this life is a test for the afterlife.

Then wouldn't an all knowing God know our results anyway?

B. Because earth is full of suffering.

Then why didn't God just skip this life in the first place?

If there was no God and an afterlife, how would it work? Who would be in charge?

If there was a God and no afterlife, things would make sort of sense.
If there was no God and no afterlife, things would make common sense.
 

St Giordano Bruno

Well-Known Member
I don't believe our memories survives and would be to us subjectively indistinguishable to never been born in the first place. I can't see how as many people believe the memories go on to survive in immaterial spirit form, nor do I believe there is some form of judicial system our to "judge" the moral fabric of our lives to determine who goes to Heaven and who goes to Hell. I think it would make no difference to your fate and does not matter if you lived your life as a “Jack the Ripper” or a “Florence Nightingale”; a hero that died in the Battle of Britain or a Japanese Kamikaze pilot

 
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St Giordano Bruno

Well-Known Member
My personal philosophy is that all possible expressions of reality exist in every possible combination so we can always inevitably find ourselves in one that only "appears" to be fine tuned for our existence, but that is just an illusion because it is not possible to be aware of any of the realities where we do not exist such as other dead universes where strong nuclear force is a fraction too strong to allow for radioactive decay or the triple-alpha process with the nucleosynthesis of carbon 12 to happen. Death is just another reality one cannot be aware of so I am of the view that totally oblivious that you have spent an existence you will switch to another reality that appears to be a well fine tuned as this one. Many people my not like the idea, but it sits well me, and that is all that matters.
 
I find the notion of life after death to be implausable because the weight of knowledge supports the view that our existance is dependent on the continued survival of our brain and that damage to the brain can result in changes in personality, reduced function and ultimately mental death even if our body continues to function. Belief in the soul runs into many problems, no least the lack of evidence to support its existance in the first place which makes the whole notion something of a non-started in my opinion.

Religion has capitalised on the notion that there is something better after death, assuming you follow the rules of that religion, which has great appeal to those who have a poor quality in life and are offered a chance for something better in return for that which is within their means to give, obedience. It is crude but ultimately effective and its successful is apparant in the numbers of religious who adhere to those religions which promise a better life after death.

Belief in life after death has the effect distorts morality by setting defining good as that which ensures ones places in heaven or another positive form of afterlife. Its also fundamentally flawed because setting aside the issue of Gods existance there is no way of knowing if heaven exists and if it does exists what conduct would be required to gain access.

In short its unlikely that there is life after death and the belief itself is popular because for many people their life is one of hardship and a happy afterlife has great appeal.
 

St Giordano Bruno

Well-Known Member
I cannot possibly believe the universe was created by a God who issued us with the one life on this earth and then we are judged and either rewarded or punished in whichever realm we deserve. I cannot see any point in that. Instead I am more inclined to think the self is as the word implies is part of self organized system without any requirement for a creator being. The self emerge simply by itself as soon as the universe acquired a critical level of complexity which makes any form of divine intervention to be extremely implausible. When I weigh up the possible ways of not existing against existing then my very existence seems like a kind of a paradox, unless of course I simply must exist because I cannot possibly be aware of any state of non-existence even the time span of 13.7 billion years that elapsed between the Big Bang and my birth.
 

Madhuri

RF Goddess
Staff member
Premium Member
Instead I am more inclined to think the self is as the word implies is part of self organized system without any requirement for a creator being. The self emerge simply by itself as soon as the universe acquired a critical level of complexity which makes any form of divine intervention to be extremely implausible. When I weigh up the possible ways of not existing against existing then my very existence seems like a kind of a paradox, unless of course I simply must exist because I cannot possibly be aware of any state of non-existence even the time span of 13.7 billion years that elapsed between the Big Bang and my birth.

The word 'self' does not imply any of the above.
Your post seems completely subjective. You conclude that divine intervention is implausible because the self emerged by itself. That is not a reasonable statement, as you are already assuming that the self emerged 'by itself', what to speak of the fact that you cannot know if the universe is a result of divine intervention.

The fact of our existence is incredible and unbelievable whether it is an accident or whether a God exists, imo.
 
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