Is This A Lie?

[McBell]

The lie is only in reference to the news you tell others.

and if you are wrong, you lied.

I fail to see what is so difficult about it.
YOU are the one who says that being wrong is lying.

 

[Skwim]

I don't see that is an odd, to the contrary, if the info is presented to be true, while it is false, then it is a lie. your intention doesn't make it true.

Of course it doesn't, but you contend that

"if you were to tell me that you saw Mike, and in reality you saw Jim, you told me a lie , eventhough you thought he was Mike." ​

This wouldn't be a lie but a case of mistaken identity. If you saw Jim but thought it was Mike and told me it was Mike, this doesn't amount to a lie but a mistake. Your intent wasn't to deceive, but to honestly present what you thought was a truth. Now, if you can't see the difference between a mistake and a lie then I can't help you. Although . . . . . . . . this might: From Merriam-Webster Dictionary.

Definition of lie

lied
lying

intransitive verb
1 : to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive
​

And if this doesn't convince you, ask your teacher.

.​

 

[Deidre]

Yes, because the intention was to deceive.

This

 

[Britedream]

Of course it doesn't, but you contend that

"if you were to tell me that you saw Mike, and in reality you saw Jim, you told me a lie , eventhough you thought he was Mike." ​

it wouldn't be a lie but a case of mistaken identity. If you saw Jim but thought it was Mike and told me it was Mike, this doesn't amount to a lie but a mistake. Your intent wasn't to deceive, but to honestly present what you thought was a truth. Now, if you can't see the difference between a mistake and a lie then I can't help you. But this might help: As Merriam-Webster Dictionary points out:

Definition of lie

lied
lying

intransitive verb
1 : to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive


.​

we are not talking about the intention, we are talking about the info its self; you lie by giving a false info. however if you intend to deceive, you are a deceiver, which is another matter.

 

[Skwim]

we are not talking about the intention, we are talking about the info its self; you lie by giving a false info. however if you intend to deceive, you are a deceiver, which is other matter.

But intention is at the heart of lying. Do you not understand what the dictionary is telling you? Never mind . . . . .obviously you don't.

Have a good day.

 

[Britedream]

But intention is at the heart of lying. Do you not understand what the dictionary is telling you? Never mind . . . . .obviously you don't.

Have a good day.

lying is telling a false info, whether the intention to deceive or not, while a deceiver only gives the false info with intention to deceive.



have a good one too

 

[Deidre]

Not all people's intentions with lies, are to deceive...even if that is the end result. Some people lie out of fear of telling the truth.

Sometimes, it's not always immoral to lie, if you are perhaps saving someone's life from danger, ie: hiding people in your home if you were in Nazi Germany, so they wouldn't be killed. You lie to the Nazis when they knock on your door, and tell them you are not harboring anyone. That is a lie worth telling, IMO.

 

[Skwim]

Not all people's intentions with lies, are to deceive...even if that is the end result. Some people lie out of fear of telling the truth.

The base intent being to deceive the other person because of fear. The reason for telling the falsehood has nothing to do with its status as a lie.

Sometimes, it's not always immoral to lie, if you are perhaps saving someone's life from danger, ie: hiding people in your home if you were in Nazi Germany, so they wouldn't be killed. You lie to the Nazis when they knock on your door, and tell them you are not harboring anyone. That is a lie worth telling, IMO.

Yup.

 

[Britedream]

The same Hebrew word (שֶׁ֫קֶר; shěqěr)1 is used for both "lying" and "false" in (Proverbs 6:16-19 ESV).

 

[psychoslice]

I don't see the OP scenario lie as a white lie though.

Well really, a lie is a lie and we all do it.

 

[Britedream]

This is also the definition of lying by Washington and Lee University : http://home.wlu.edu/~mahonj/DefinitionLying2009.pdf

 

[McBell]

This is also the definition of lying by Washington and Lee University : http://home.wlu.edu/~mahonj/DefinitionLying2009.pdf

Ouch
BOTH the definitions in your linked definitions include the word "intention"....

Perhaps you linked to the wrong PDF?

 

[Britedream]

Ouch
BOTH the definitions in your linked definitions include the word "intention"....

Perhaps you linked to the wrong PDF?

This is also from the same pdf in case you did not read it:

A lie that is ‘seen through’ by its audience while it is being told to them, and hence, that does not deceive them, is still a lie.4 Properly speaking, therefore, lying is not a type of deceiving.
Beyond this, there is little consensus on defining lying.

 

[savagewind]

Ouch
BOTH the definitions in your linked definitions include the word "intention"....

Perhaps you linked to the wrong PDF?

Both? It looks interesting, but I think I shall not spend an hour on it.

 

[savagewind]

Of course it doesn't, but you contend that

"if you were to tell me that you saw Mike, and in reality you saw Jim, you told me a lie , eventhough you thought he was Mike." ​

This wouldn't be a lie but a case of mistaken identity. If you saw Jim but thought it was Mike and told me it was Mike, this doesn't amount to a lie but a mistake. Your intent wasn't to deceive, but to honestly present what you thought was a truth. Now, if you can't see the difference between a mistake and a lie then I can't help you. Although . . . . . . . . this might: From Merriam-Webster Dictionary.

Definition of lie

lied
lying

intransitive verb
1 : to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive
​

And if this doesn't convince you, ask your teacher.

.​

What about the other definition YOU posted?

It doesn't matter. As Rick O'Shez said, it depends on the intent. From the Merriam-Webster Dictionary:

Definition of lie
intransitive verb

1 : to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive

2 : to create a false or misleading impression
​

Note that there is nothing about any result---I invite you to check it out

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[savagewind]

The definition of lying "to create a false or misleading impression" does not say, "on purpose".
A cat can paint a beautiful picture and it is real, but it isn't on purpose.

 

[McBell]

Both? It looks interesting, but I think I shall not spend an hour on it.

Unlike Britedream it is short and to the point.

 

[McBell]

This is also from the same pdf in case you did not read it:

I did read it.
And unfortuanately for you, the snippet you presented does not help your claim that being wrong is lying.

 

[Britedream]

I did read it.
And unfortuanately for you, the snippet you presented does not help your claim that being wrong is lying.

You may be allergic to Britedream, and didn't know what to do, so you just post whatever comes to your mind.

 

[savagewind]

Unlike Britedream it is short and to the point.

OK. LOL

Although most hold that lying does not require falsity, and instead only requires believed-falsity (untruthfulness), some hold that lying requires falsity, and that making untruthful statements to others with the intention to deceive is not lying if, unbeknownst to one, what one says just happens to be true. Finally, although most hold that lying requires an intention to deceive about the contents of one’s untruthful statement, some hold that lying also requires an intention to deceive about one’s belief in the truth of one’s untruthful statement. According to them, when one lies, one intends not only that others believe that what one says is true, but also that they believe that one believes that what one says is true. Some even go further, and hold that lying requires a third intention to deceive—an intention that others believe that one intends that they believe that one believes that what one says is true

http://home.wlu.edu/~mahonj/DefinitionLying2009.pdf