Is This A Lie?

[Twilight Hue]

So being wrong is lying?

I think it can be considered a provisionally based lie as it was something cognitive, but not yet acted upon. In reality, it certainly wasn't a lie as the truth was fulfilled by completing what was mentioned regardless of initial intent.

I think unfufillment defines a lie within the parameters it's set as.

 

[savagewind]

I think that being wrong might be considered lying if the untruth that is believed is being considered something to trust in.

 

[Britedream]

I think that being wrong might be considered lying if the untruth that is believed is being considered something to trust in.

Well said, Thank you.

 

[McBell]

I think it can be considered a provisionally based lie as it was something cognitive, but not yet acted upon. In reality, it certainly wasn't a lie as the truth was fulfilled by completing what was mentioned regardless of initial intent.

I think unfufillment defines a lie within the parameters it's set as.

I think that any intentional deception is a lie.

Thus a lie does not magically become not a lie by chance or design.

 

[columbus]

Say person a asks person b where he is going. Person b replies "the shop" but has no intention of going to the shop and instead is planning a visit to a friend. However, on his way to see his friend he does indeed change his mind and go to the shop.

Did person b lie?

Yes, they lied.
But that doesn't mean they did anything wrong. Lying isn't inherently wrong, it's when the lie is for bad purposes. Sometimes telling the truth is the wrong thing to do. Depends entirely on the circumstances and intentions.
Of both parties actually.
Tom

 

[Skwim]

What about the other definition YOU posted?

I assume you mean ": to create a false or misleading impression"

First of all note the verb "create," which denotes a purposed component, as opposed to "make," which simply means, to cause to exist.

"to create a false or misleading impression" is different than "to make a false or misleading impression." Granted it's a subtle difference, but an important one. Consider the difference between the person who creates games, and the person who makes games. Creating games implies a purpose behind their particular structure. Making games requires no such purpose, and simply signifies bringing games into existence. Period.

So how does this apply to "creating a false or misleading impression?" It denotes something more than just causing the false or misleading impression to exist. It denotes purpose. It says there is a purpose behind the structure of the false or misleading impression, which raises the question: why would one bother to create a false or misleading impression? I'll leave this to you to figure out

In the end it's quite apparent why the Merriam-Webster Dictionary didn't say "to make a false or misleading impression," but instead chose to say "to create a false or misleading impression." It signifies there is a purpose behind the false or misleading impression; It isn't any accident or mistake.

Now, M-W can get away with the word "make' in its first definition because its use of "intent" implies purpose. Essentially, the second definition is merely adding impressions to its first definition's "statements." Lies consist of both statements and impressions.



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[Skwim]

A cat can paint a beautiful picture and it is real, but it isn't on purpose.

Ah yes, beauty is indeed in the eye of the beholder.


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[Skwim]

I think that being wrong might be considered lying if the untruth that is believed is being considered something to trust in.

So if someone mistakenly tells their little sister that 16 - 44 = -27, which is incorrect, and that little sister trusts it's the correct answer, then that someone is lying. Is that right?


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[Smart_Guy]

Yes, that person will have lied. Lying is a thought, and internal resolve, not an action. What that person did there was like saying they were going to a hospital (as a lie), then go bowling but in their way a truck hits them screwing them up badly and an ambulance takes them to the hospital. There is no way that person did not lie.

Lying and leaving it to chances to decide if it was not a lie does not work here.

 

[Shem Ben Noah]

Say person a asks person b where he is going. Person b replies "the shop" but has no intention of going to the shop and instead is planning a visit to a friend. However, on his way to see his friend he does indeed change his mind and go to the shop.

Did person b lie?

It depends on how one defines a lie. By one view, it would not be possible to lie (false witness) about something in the future.

This case is a bit of a gray area. I would say the person is being untruthful. It's like the difference between illegal and unlawful.

 

[Skwim]

Yes, that person will have lied. Lying is a thought, and internal resolve, not an action. What that person did there was like saying they were going to a hospital (as a lie), then go bowling but in their way a truck hits them screwing them up badly and an ambulance takes them to the hospital. There is no way that person did not lie.

Lying and leaving it to chances to decide if it was not a lie does not work here.

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[Smart_Guy]

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No truck can hit you and screw you up badly with that spinach around.

 

[savagewind]

So if someone mistakenly tells their little sister that 16 - 44 = -27, which is incorrect, and that little sister trusts it's the correct answer, then that someone is lying. Is that right?


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No. If the one telling the lie trusts that it is the truth he is the one lying. The person who hears isn't lying even if she trusts it is true.. But if that person passes it along as something she trusts is true, she lies. ........I am rethinking this.........I see my answer is wrong so I am going to try it again. A lie is a lie to the person lying even if nobody ever believes the untruth the liar told. I have heard lying raises the blood pressure of the liar. I think most time the subconscious is aware something said is not true, even if it is a mistake. When the conscious wants it to be true it will train the subconscious into believing it. For a purpose? Yes, it is always for some kind of purpose. Sometimes the purpose is a lazy one. I made a mistake but I am too tired to fix it so I will make it the truth. Sometimes it is just for a joke. I think it will be funny to say something someone might think is true, but it is not. Sometimes it is really to create a false impression. I will tell my mate I am going to the hospital to visit a friend, but I will go to the bar instead to get a drink, or a lot of them seeing that I have been on the forum too long. (that last sentence is a joke). A lot of jokes are lying. So, is lying always a bad thing? No, I don't think so. "You're throwing me into Gehenna for WHAT?" I am going there because I think stupid is funny, but it isn't. It's a lie.

Also, funny about make and create. Very good maneuver. I don't believe it, but it's funny. Haha

Think about this. "Divorce only creates problems for children" .Is that an incorrect usage of the word create, in your opinion?

 

[savagewind]

What is this?

Ouch
BOTH the definitions in your linked definitions include the word "intention"....

Perhaps you linked to the wrong PDF?

Both? It looks interesting, but I think I shall not spend an hour on it.

Unlike Britedream it is short and to the point.

There is no way the posted link is "short and to the point". If we have looked at two different articles then to call it that is a "mistake". To lead me to believe he @Mestemia actually thinks that article I saw (because I followed the same link as he) is "short and to the point" is lying imho.

Some people (not me anymore) can think, "I might consider that article short and to the point", then he has lied.

Why not? Because he doesn't want to lie? It wasn't his intention? Because to lie is to be a liar and he knows he isn't?

I go away thinking there are people who see complication and call it, "short and to the point". It might be short by some perspectives. But it isn't to the point! Which point?
It seems there might be a hundred points in that article.

 

[Britedream]

Yes, that person will have lied. Lying is a thought, and internal resolve, not an action. What that person did there was like saying they were going to a hospital (as a lie), then go bowling but in their way a truck hits them screwing them up badly and an ambulance takes them to the hospital. There is no way that person did not lie.

Lying and leaving it to chances to decide if it was not a lie does not work here.

A lie is a word that describes the info you say to others, if it doesn't coincide with the reality of what being said; it is a contradictory word to the word " reality", not an opposite one; that means, the present of one, negates the other; if the truth is missing in what you are telling then it is a lie. Yes, you can be in mistake in what you are doing, or in what you are thinking, but if you tell me that info as if it were to coincide with reality, while it does not. that is a lie.

In the Quran God said to those who said God has a child, they are lying, even though, they are mistaking in their thinking, and they got that from the people before them believing it to be true. Why, because it does not coincide with the reality of what being said. (surah 37:152)

 

[savagewind]

A lie is a word that describes the info you say to others,

I think a lie can also mean untrue things you tell your own soul.

It is written, "trust in God with all your heart and on understanding do not lean". Proverbs 3:5-6

To lean on something that isn't true is lying to yourself. I think it is better to refuse to believe something than it is to believe something which isn't true.
I think there is even a Bible warning about that. 2 Peter 2:21

 

[Britedream]

I think a lie can also mean untrue things you tell your own soul.

It is written, "trust in God with all your heart and on understanding do not lean". Proverbs 3:5-6

To lean on something that isn't true is lying to yourself. I think it is better to refuse to believe something than it is to believe something which isn't true.
I think there is even a Bible warning about that. 2 Peter 2:21

True; it is in reference to what you are telling.

 

[columbus]

Yes, you can be in mistake in what you are doing, or in what you are thinking, but if you tell me that info as if it were to coincide with reality, while it does not. that is a lie.

That is not what the word means in English.
If a person says something that they believe true they may be mistaken, but they didn't lie.

To use the OP,
If another person asked person a where person b went, and person a said "the shop", that wouldn't be a lie. It doesn't matter what person b actually did. Person a said what they had reason to believe is true.
Does that explain it?

Tom

 

[Britedream]

That is not what the word means in English.
If a person says something that they believe true they may be mistaken, but they didn't lie.

To use the OP,
If another person asked person a where person b went, and person a said "the shop", that wouldn't be a lie. It doesn't matter what person b actually did. Person a said what they had reason to believe is true.
Does that explain it?

Tom

The truth is when you say something that coinsides with reality of what being said. if the truth is missing then it becomes a lie; your thinking of it being true doesn't make true, so you are telling me info as if it were true, but it isn't true; if the truth is missing in what said then it is a lie, which means that it doesn't coinside with the reality of what you said. isn't that a fact?.

 

[columbus]

if the truth is missing in what said then it is a lie,

By your standard this sentence is a lie, although by mine it is not.
It isn't true. That's not normal English usage. But I am pretty sure you do believe it. So to me it is not a lie, it is a mistake.
Tom