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Is Trump a Fascist?

Tambourine

Well-Known Member
It's hard to say what political beliefs Donald Trump has, or whether he really believes in anything at all besides his own ego, and possibly in Obama being a Secret Kenyan Muslim.

But the political movement that surrounds him definitely looks fascistic in nature. You've got White supremacism, a Führer to be revered and followed who can do no wrong and will deliver his Volk to greatness, a supporting network of conspiracy theories, a propaganda arm disseminating hatred against minority groups and political enemies, the suppression of political enemies, and probably some other elements I don't care to list.

No fancy uniforms, though.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
I'd say Trump checks most if not all of the boxes.
We can see he's using the Nazi political playbook to win another election. This time with more FEAR.
Will it work again?
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
No. Trump is a narcissistic sociopath being used by a cabal of wealthy fascist wanna-be's backed by a party of fools and bigots.
evidently he wanted goose stepping troops at his inauguration and a huge military parade like the russians
 

Tambourine

Well-Known Member
I'd say Trump checks most if not all of the boxes.
We can see he's using the Nazi political playbook to win another election. This time with more FEAR.
Will it work again?
I think so far, the US political system has proved much more resilient than Weimar Germany.

I believe that of the disadvantages that US fascists are facing is that despite widespread electoral support by right-wing voters, the power blocs that would usually enable fascists to seize control of the state (the military, the corporate establishment, police and secret services) are very much entrenched in the status quo, and therefore have little motivation to support an overt fascist power grab.
 

Mister Emu

Emu Extraordinaire
Staff member
Premium Member
I wish.

Actually no, I don't wish Trump was. I wish I was president. Isn't that how a fascist is supposed to be :)
 

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Dictator checklist

Desire for military parades
Browbeats the press
Attacks investigative committees and the intelligence community
Attacking vanquished political opponents
Attempt to control the flow of information (Dem memo nixed but not Repubs)
Holding rallies unrelated to campaigning
Calling those that disagree with him treasonous and un-American
Demanding adulation and one-way loyalty from his inner cadre
Demanding personal loyalty from people charged with being loyal to America
Admires the strongmen like Putin, Duterte, and Kim Jong Un
Nepotism
Incessant propaganda supporting an imagined, dangerous reality
Angry nationalism and xenophobia
Attempting to postpone or cancel elections
Using militias against dissenters


America clearly has a wannabe dictator on its hands. Will he succeed? America seems too weak to stop him. It not only lacks resolve against this tendency, it seems to be welcoming it. Putin and the Republican Party are his enablers, as is almost half of the electorate.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
No, he is not a fascist.
I don't claim that he wouldn't want to be one.
But our system prevents his becoming one.

This is tiring....this continual attempt by partisans
to apply demonizing labels to the opposition in lieu
of addressing individual actions & actual policy.
All this "Trump is a fascist & racist" & "Biden
is a socialist" stuff is worse than useless....it's
part of the division & rancor rampant today.
 

Mike.Hester

Member
Fascism as above described is the most misunderstood political doctrine in world history. The founder of fascism was Giovanni Gentile.Giovanni Gentile - Wikipedia. We associate fascism with totalitarian's dictators because J. Stalin said so during WW2. Mussolini made it perfectly clear, that fascism was a political tool used to gain power, not to govern people.

Contents of the Fascist Manifesto[edit]
The Manifesto (published in Il Popolo d'Italia on June 6, 1919) is divided into four sections, describing the movement's objectives in political, social, military and financial fields.[2]

Politically, the Manifesto calls for:

  • Universal suffrage with a lowered voting age to 18 years, and voting and electoral office eligibility for all ages 25 and up;
  • Proportional representation on a regional basis;
  • Voting for women (which was then opposed by most other European nations);
  • Representation at government level of newly created national councils by economic sector;
  • The abolition of the Italian Senate (at the time, the Senate, as the upper house of parliament, was by process elected by the wealthier citizens, but were in reality direct appointments by the king. It has been described as a sort of extended council of the crown);
  • The formation of a national council of experts for labor, for industry, for transportation, for the public health, for communications, etc. Selections to be made of professionals or of tradesmen with legislative powers, and elected directly to a general commission with ministerial powers.
In labor and social policy, the Manifesto calls for:

  • The quick enactment of a law of the state that sanctions an eight-hour workday for all workers;
  • A minimum wage;
  • The participation of workers' representatives in the functions of industry commissions;
  • To show the same confidence in the labor unions (that prove to be technically and morally worthy) as is given to industry executives or public servants;
  • Reorganization of the railways and the transport sector;
  • Revision of the draft law on invalidity insurance;
  • Reduction of the retirement age from 65 to 55.
In military affairs, the Manifesto advocates:

  • Creation of a short-service national militia with specifically defensive responsibilities;
  • Armaments factories are to be nationalized;
  • A peaceful but competitive foreign policy.
In finance, the Manifesto advocates:

  • A strong progressive tax on capital (envisaging a “partial expropriation” of concentrated wealth);
  • The seizure of all the possessions of the religious congregations and the abolition of all the bishoprics, which constitute an enormous liability on the Nation and on the privileges of the poor;
  • Revision of all contracts for military provisions;
  • The revision of all military contracts and the seizure of 85 percent of the profits therein.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
No, he is not a fascist.
I don't claim that he wouldn't want to be one.
But our system prevents his becoming one.

This is tiring....this continual attempt by partisans
to apply demonizing labels to the opposition in lieu
of addressing individual actions & actual policy.
All this "Trump is a fascist & racist" & "Biden
is a socialist" stuff is worse than useless....it's
part of the division & rancor rampant today.
what a system prevents has to do with what people are doing.

a robber robs and the system hopefully catches him and takes away his freedom to rob. not all robbers go to jail
a murderer murders and the system hopefully catches him and takes way his freedom to murder. not all murderers are caught.



the system doesn't always reform as much as it tries to punish. the system is as only good as the people who enforce the law; which is not personal and doesn't care about status, but about behavior.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Fascism as above described is the most misunderstood political doctrine in world history. The founder of fascism was Giovanni Gentile.Giovanni Gentile - Wikipedia. We associate fascism with totalitarian's dictators because J. Stalin said so during WW2. Mussolini made it perfectly clear, that fascism was a political tool used to gain power, not to govern people.

Contents of the Fascist Manifesto[edit]
The Manifesto (published in Il Popolo d'Italia on June 6, 1919) is divided into four sections, describing the movement's objectives in political, social, military and financial fields.[2]

Politically, the Manifesto calls for:

  • Universal suffrage with a lowered voting age to 18 years, and voting and electoral office eligibility for all ages 25 and up;
  • Proportional representation on a regional basis;
  • Voting for women (which was then opposed by most other European nations);
  • Representation at government level of newly created national councils by economic sector;
  • The abolition of the Italian Senate (at the time, the Senate, as the upper house of parliament, was by process elected by the wealthier citizens, but were in reality direct appointments by the king. It has been described as a sort of extended council of the crown);
  • The formation of a national council of experts for labor, for industry, for transportation, for the public health, for communications, etc. Selections to be made of professionals or of tradesmen with legislative powers, and elected directly to a general commission with ministerial powers.
In labor and social policy, the Manifesto calls for:

  • The quick enactment of a law of the state that sanctions an eight-hour workday for all workers;
  • A minimum wage;
  • The participation of workers' representatives in the functions of industry commissions;
  • To show the same confidence in the labor unions (that prove to be technically and morally worthy) as is given to industry executives or public servants;
  • Reorganization of the railways and the transport sector;
  • Revision of the draft law on invalidity insurance;
  • Reduction of the retirement age from 65 to 55.
In military affairs, the Manifesto advocates:

  • Creation of a short-service national militia with specifically defensive responsibilities;
  • Armaments factories are to be nationalized;
  • A peaceful but competitive foreign policy.
In finance, the Manifesto advocates:

  • A strong progressive tax on capital (envisaging a “partial expropriation” of concentrated wealth);
  • The seizure of all the possessions of the religious congregations and the abolition of all the bishoprics, which constitute an enormous liability on the Nation and on the privileges of the poor;
  • Revision of all contracts for military provisions;
  • The revision of all military contracts and the seizure of 85 percent of the profits therein.



 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
what a system prevents has to do with what people are doing.

a robber robs and the system hopefully catches him and takes away his freedom to rob. not all robbers go to jail
a murderer murders and the system hopefully catches him and takes way his freedom to murder. not all murderers are caught.



the system doesn't always reform as much as it tries to punish. the system is as only good as the people who enforce the law; which is not personal and doesn't care about status, but about behavior.
Trump hasn't tried to seize dictatorial power (yet).
So you don't know that is his secret desire.
If after the election he stages a coup to remain in
power despite his loss, that would be compelling
evidence. Let's wait & see.

Btw, this is the exact same argument I provided
to right wing acquaintances when they feared
that Obama would refuse to leave the White
House, & become dictator.

Partisans get too easily frightened of their
opposition. It's a bad idea to get all worked
up imagining the worst motives & worst
case scenarios.
 
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Tambourine

Well-Known Member
Fascism as above described is the most misunderstood political doctrine in world history. The founder of fascism was Giovanni Gentile.Giovanni Gentile - Wikipedia. We associate fascism with totalitarian's dictators because J. Stalin said so during WW2. Mussolini made it perfectly clear, that fascism was a political tool used to gain power, not to govern people.
Words change meaning, and as a political term, fascism has been considerably expanded from its initial narrow meaning to describe only Gentile's beliefs, to include most extreme-nationalist populist movements of the 1930s and beyond, as most of them share characteristics.

Mussolini changed political positions several times in his life, on top of using blatant lies as a political tool, so I would take anything he claims with an enormous amount of salt.
 
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