Is Violence Against Women Ever Acceptable?

[Mindmaster]

When a religion says it is ok to hit anyone then that is one really sad religion.

This was OK in the context of every major religion and this has only changed with some of them in modern times. It doesn't technically break the rules of any of them though, and most churches would simply see it as the two individuals having relationship problems. They'd not refer it to the police even if it were discussed with a religious leader.

 

[ChristineM]

There's a difference. Punching can be hitting, but hitting isn't necessarily punching. Slapping, for one, cannot be called punching. People like to use the word that gives the impression they prefer instead of the one that describes the reality best.

Is there a a difference between violence and violence? If you think so then i am sorry for you.

 

[Piculet]

If somebody is attacking you then there's no problem with taking reasonable measures to defend yourself.

Yes, but if the participants are husband and wife and the attacker is the husband, the woman's most reasonable defense usually — just as a mufti was quoted saying in the article — to leave the situation.

 

[Polymath257]

This was OK in the context of every major religion and this has only changed with some of them in modern times. It doesn't technically break the rules of any of them though, and most churches would simply see it as the two individuals having relationship problems. They'd not refer it to the police even if it were discussed with a religious leader.

One of the big reasons traditional religions are morally problematic.

 

[Erebus]

So you advice the women to hit back, do you?

If that's what they need to do to stop an attacker, yes. I would also suggest they call the police.

 

[ChristineM]

This was OK in the context of every major religion and this has only changed with some of them in modern times. It doesn't technically break the rules of any of them though, and most churches would simply see it as the two individuals having relationship problems. They'd not refer it to the police even if it were discussed with a religious leader.

True, sad religion.

 

[Polymath257]

Yes, but if the participants are husband and wife and the attacker is the husband, the woman's most reasonable defense usually — just as a mufti was quoted saying in the article — to leave the situation.

Yes, leave the battering husband. Charge him with battery and divorce the jerk.

 

[Piculet]

Is there a a difference between violence and violence? If you think so then i am sorry for you.

There frequently is, even though the letters in the word remain the same. Let's not forget the point; there's a difference between punching and hitting. Sometimes they can be used interchangeably, but not always, and both words give the sentence a different color.

 

[Mock Turtle]

The article spoke of hitting. There's a significant difference.

I've seen the concept of discipline (smacking ever so gently) that Islam, or some interpretations, seems to approve of - whilst instructing children in the faith (not so gentle) - but it hardly matters when you don't seem to approve of the concept of equality - for all, that is, not just males. How about a wife beating (hitting) her husband for being a lousy husband?

 

[Polymath257]

There frequently is, even though the letters in the word remain the same. Let's not forget the point; there's a difference between punching and hitting. Sometimes they can be used interchangeably, but not always, and both words give the sentence a different color.

And neither is acceptable as a way to 'control' a wife.

 

[Piculet]

Yes, leave the battering husband. Charge him with battery and divorce the jerk.

Well the article speaks of a man attempting to hit his wife and a woman fearing her husband might hit her. Neither of which alone are sufficient reason for a divorce.

 

[Erebus]

Well the article speaks of a man attempting to hit his wife and a woman fearing her husband might hit her. Neither of which alone are sufficient reason for a divorce.

Fearing your partner will hit you is an excellent reason for divorce.

 

[Piculet]

And neither is acceptable as a way to 'control' a wife.

Depends what one means by hitting. If it is sufficient to cause fear, it is too much. Period.

 

[McBell]

I think most people here would say no (except, I think, if the woman in question is about to commit a violent crime and someone needs to stop her), but what you really need to is ask the Muslims, because those are the people in question here.

So basically, in a nutshell, the official response to a woman being murdered by her ex-boyfriend is to accept violence from their husband?

 

[Polymath257]

Well the article speaks of a man attempting to hit his wife and a woman fearing her husband might hit her. Neither of which alone are sufficient reason for a divorce.

I disagree. If she has a reasonable fear that he will hit her, she should leave him.

 

[Polymath257]

Depends what one means by hitting.

No, not really.

 

[Piculet]

Fearing your partner will hit you is an excellent reason for divorce.

No, it's not and the fear can even be only in the head of the wife. What would the world be like if every single short tempered man was without a wife and therefore without children?

 

[Erebus]

What would the world be like if every single short tempered man was without a wife and therefore without children?

Probably a better place to live.

 

[Polymath257]

No, it's not and the fear can even be only in the head of the wife. What would the world be like if every single short tempered man was without a wife and therefore without children?

The world would be MUCH better.

 

[McBell]

There frequently is, even though the letters in the word remain the same. Let's not forget the point; there's a difference between punching and hitting. Sometimes they can be used interchangeably, but not always, and both words give the sentence a different color.

So long as the stick is no wider than your thumb, right?