McBell
Unbound
So you disagree with divorce?
Even though the article says to leave?
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Is Violence Against Women Ever Acceptable?
- Thread starter Mike.Hester
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Even though the article says to leave?
Piculet
Active Member
I would not know if hit is the proper word to use in the English language, but:
Qur'an 4:34 "Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all)."
Piculet
Active Member
The article doesn't say to divorce. Are you pretending to be dumb?
Yep, support for violence. Not to mention the rather insane notion that men are 'maintainers' of women.
This is, in my view, deeply immoral.
Piculet
Active Member
An Islamic marriage..
You like to propose extreme examples. Can't you argue reasonably?
McBell
Unbound
Why are you avoiding the question.
Either you agree or disagree with divorce.
YOU are the one who made great effort to quote that particular part of the article.
Why is it you are all of a sudden avoiding it?
If it is within the rules to beat your wife, then the rules are immoral.
Does the wife get to beat her husband (equally lightly) if they are disloyal and have ill-conduct?
Piculet
Active Member
How dare the men pay for whatever their wife needs! Disgraceful, eh? Why can't women care for their children during the day and go to work at night while the children are asleep? You should write someone about that. Big changes will happen when westerners realise they can raise their kids themselves.
McBell
Unbound
One wonders why only two of the seven versions adds (lightly) to the beating part...
How dare the men pay for whatever their wife needs! Disgraceful, eh? Why can't women care for their children during the day and go to work at night while the children are asleep? You should write someone about that. Big changes will happen when westerners realise they can raise their kids themselves.
Rather a non-sequitur, isn't it? We are talking about a man hitting his wife. That is being violent and is intolerable.
Piculet
Active Member
What modern religions and where do they prohibit this?
Piculet
Active Member
I thought you said this:
Was immoral.
I do believe we're still talking about a husband hitting his wife, attempting to hit her or the wife fearing he might hit her.
This thread is about violence to women, not about you or me. Violence is never reasonable, no matter what your religion says
If you cannot respond to my opinion of something that sours a marriage then don't blame me for your failure.
McBell
Unbound
What the hell does this have to do with men beating their wives?How dare the men pay for whatever their wife needs! Disgraceful, eh? Why can't women care for their children during the day and go to work at night while the children are asleep? You should write someone about that. Big changes will happen when westerners realise they can raise their kids themselves.
Piculet
Active Member
Yes, the idea that women should not have jobs and independent lives is immoral. The idea that, in a marriage, the partners are not equal is immoral. The idea that, because of that inequality, the man gets to perpetrate violence against the woman is immoral.
Good. Do you agree that such violence is immoral?
And why not? It seems fair, doesn't it? Why allow one and not the other?
THAT is immoral.
Piculet
Active Member
I don't blame you. I just point out that you try to manipulate the discussion in a way that is not constructive and that leads nowhere.