Is Violence Against Women Ever Acceptable?

[Piculet]

How is that any different than you attempts to manipulate the discussion in a way that makes you feel more comfortable expressing the immorality of Muslim marriage as described by yourself??

I don't need anything to "make me more comfortable". I'm comfortable with my religion and all of its teachings.

Nevertheless, the significant difference between my communication and that of @ChristineM, is that I do not constantly try to misrepresent what she has previously said.

 

[ChristineM]

I don't need anything to "make me more comfortable". I'm comfortable with my religion and all of its teachings.

Nevertheless, the significant difference between my communication and that of @ChristineM, is that I do not constantly try to misrepresent what she has previously said.

Show me where i have misrepresented anything or apologies for that liable.

 

[Piculet]

With all their might. That may be physically, intellectually, legally or by asking her brothers to have a serious talk with her husband.

So you suggest they either hit back [which isn't wise because a) it isn't wise and b) most women can't win their husband in a physical fight c) it brings nothing good] or do exactly what diyanet in the article says. Your advice is the same except that you also suggest they might as well do the dumbest thing ever. BTW, if you ask the police, they'll also say don't hit back.

 

[Piculet]

Show me where i have misrepresented anything or apologies for that liable.

Too much trouble for nothing.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

So you advice the women to hit back, do you?

Let's just say this: anyone who begins actively attacking anyone else and is then surprised when the person they are attacking strikes back is a complete and utter moron. Just off the chart levels of stupid. Hypocritical, arrogant, pretentious, foolish... I could go on, would you like me to?

 

[Heyo]

So you suggest they either hit back [which isn't wise because a) it isn't wise and b) most women can't win their husband in a physical fight c) it brings nothing good] or do exactly what diyanet in the article says. Your advice is the same except that you also suggest they might as well do the dumbest thing ever. BTW, if you ask the police, they'll also say don't hit back.

I suggested multiple methods, not only physical. And even if it is physical, it is not to "win", it is to show that violence is not OK.
You'd probably think twice before you hit your wife if you'd have to explain a black eye to your colleagues, even if you "won".

 

[Rival]

I wouldn't appreciate being struck, no. In fact, I'd do a crazy thing and just leave/divorce.

A good spanking is heaven in other contexts.

 

[ChristineM]

Too much trouble for nothing.

Liable is not nothing. You have shown the sort of person you are. Well done

As has been said of others before you, "all hat and no cattle"

 

[Heyo]

Too much trouble for nothing.

Typical Muslim. Spreading libel and being unapologetic about it. But when I say that your prophet is a ******, you flip out.

 

[Polymath257]

Unless, of course you live in a religious society. Where the battering husband gets custody of the children, the assets, and you are now just someone else's ex.
Tom

Which is why such societies are, in my view, immoral.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Women in Turkey took to Twitter on Wednesday to blast Turkey’s top religious authority over a series of fatwas, in which the Religious Affairs Directorate (Diyanet) has advised women to accept violence at the hands of their husbands and use discussion to solve their probleTurkey’s top religious body sparks Twitter ire with fatwas on violence against women | Ahvalms.

Only in self-defense, of course, and that's regardless of gender.

 

[ChristineM]

Typical Muslim. Spreading libel and being unapologetic about it. But when I say that your prophet is a ******, you flip out.

I wouldn't say typical, there are many honest and decent Muslims, however there are several large subsets who let the islamic faith down

 

[Piculet]

Which is why such societies are, in my view, immoral.

Where does this superior knowledge of yours about what is immoral and what is moral, come from?

 

[ChristineM]

Where does this superior knowledge of yours about what is immoral and what is moral, come from?

Humanity,,, ever hear of it?

 

[Piculet]

Typical Muslim. Spreading libel and being unapologetic about it. But when I say that your prophet is a ******, you flip out.

It's not libel when she does it publicly. Not just to me either. Also, I've never been upset about anything you say.

 

[Heyo]

I wouldn't say typical, there are many honest Muslims, however there are several large subsets who let the islamic faith down

That's what I wanted to say with that. @Piculet is a representative of Islam on this site, one of only a few. His behaviour is indicative because few else speak out.
And I wanted to show an example of how it feels when when he gets hit back.

(It will probably gain me an other warning but that is also part of the demonstration. We all lose.)

 

[Polymath257]

Where does this superior knowledge of yours about what is immoral and what is moral, come from?

Simple human decency and compassion. To think that a man automatically has 'authority' over a woman is the basic problem. A woman is a fully human person, who has authority over herself.

The use of violence against a woman is reasonable *exactly* when violence against a man would be reasonable: self-defense or when they are going to commit violence against someone else.

The double standard of saying a man has authority and can commit violence and the woman does not is deeply, deeply immoral.

 

[Piculet]

Humanity,,, ever hear of it?

Knowledge of what is moral and what is immoral comes from humanity? Isn't it simply how you define humanity? I don't believe it is logical to say one comes from the other. Unless you have proof?

 

[Polymath257]

So you suggest they either hit back [which isn't wise because a) it isn't wise and b) most women can't win their husband in a physical fight c) it brings nothing good] or do exactly what diyanet in the article says. Your advice is the same except that you also suggest they might as well do the dumbest thing ever. BTW, if you ask the police, they'll also say don't hit back.

Why no criticism of the man for being violent?

 

[Piculet]

And I wanted to show an example of how it feels when when he gets hit back.

Are you talking about me? Did you hit me — back?