Is Violence Against Women Ever Acceptable?

[Piculet]

Why no criticism of the man for being violent?

Where?

 

[Polymath257]

Knowledge of what is moral and what is immoral comes from humanity? Isn't it simply how you define humanity? I don't believe it is logical to say one comes from the other. Unless you have proof?

Absolutely. The foundation of morality is compassion and a sense of fairness. That is basic humanity.

 

[Polymath257]

Where?

Precisely. Why do you not criticize the man for being violent? He was the one that was acting wrongly, not the woman.

 

[ChristineM]

That's what I wanted to say with that. @Piculet is a representative of Islam on this site, one of only a few. His behaviour is indicative because few else speak out.
And I wanted to show an example of how it feels when when he gets hit back.

(It will probably gain me an other warning but that is also part of the demonstration. We all lose.)

Not a particularly good representative of the religion of peace, he hates gays, hates atheists and now he appears to condone violence.

 

[Piculet]

To think that a man automatically has 'authority' over a woman is the basic problem.

It's called marriage in this case. It isn't automatic. The woman knows what it is and she is asked if she wants to marry x and she says yes if she wants to and no if she doesn't.

A woman is a fully human person, who has authority over herself.

She does. She is also free. She has a free will. However, if she is a Muslim she wants to go to Jannah and she doesn't want to go to Jahannam. That's why she doesn't do whatever she feels like doing. Rather, she does what is right.

 

[columbus]

Where does this superior knowledge of yours about what is immoral and what is moral, come from?

Morality based on evidence and reason, rather than the primitive ethics of ancient people claiming to speak for God.
Tom

 

[ChristineM]

Knowledge of what is moral and what is immoral comes from humanity? Isn't it simply how you define humanity? I don't believe it is logical to say one comes from the other. Unless you have proof?

Morality, human morality, humanity, existed long, long before religion, without human morality civilisation could not have flourished.

And when you apologise for libelous defamatory comments i will consider providing evidence. Until then its not worth it

 

[Polymath257]

It's called marriage in this case. It isn't automatic. The woman knows what it is and she is asked if she wants to marry x and she says yes if she wants to and no if she doesn't.

A marriage is a partnership. It is not slavery. A marriage based on the authority of one person is not a partnership and is thereby not a real marriage in my view.

She does. She is also free. She has a free will. However, if she is a Muslim she wants to go to Jannah and she doesn't want to go to Jahannam. That's why she doesn't do whatever she feels like doing. Rather, she does what is right.

And what about the man? Is committing violence against his wife not immoral?

 

[Piculet]

Not a particularly good representative of the religion of peace, he hates gays, hates atheists and now he appears to condone violence.

If you can't argue — calumniate.

 

[Windwalker]

The article spoke of hitting. There's a significant difference.

Hitting is not violence?

 

[Heyo]

Not a particularly good representative of the religion of peace, he hates gays, hates atheists and now he appears to condone violence.

And he is the only Muslim being that vocal in this OP. I have rarely discussed morality with Muslim, so he is the voice of Islam here. I'm reluctant to draw conclusions from small sample sizes but for someone who is not so scientifically minded, the conclusion would be that he is typical and that it's not him but his religion that is to blame.

 

[ChristineM]

If you can't argue — calumniate.

Says the one who commits liable and runs to hide when called out about it.

 

[ChristineM]

Hitting is not violence?

You can't ask him that, he will accuse you of misrepresentation

 

[Heyo]

It's called marriage in this case. It isn't automatic. The woman knows what it is and she is asked if she wants to marry x and she says yes if she wants to and no if she doesn't.

That seems (somewhat) reasonable. But I see a contradiction with reality.
Do we agree that marriage should not be set up, promised or forced by the family?
Do we agree that the age for people to agree into a marriage should be the same as adulthood (whatever that may be in a given country)?
What is the Qur'an saying about these questions?
Do you know what the laws in Turkey are?

 

[Revoltingest]

Says the one who commits liable libel and runs to hide when called out about it.

Fixed.
This was the least annoying thing I had in mind.

 

[McBell]

If you can't argue — calumniate.

 

[McBell]

Knowledge of what is moral and what is immoral comes from humanity? Isn't it simply how you define humanity? I don't believe it is logical to say one comes from the other. Unless you have proof?

You made the claim.
It is on you to support how it is illogical.

 

[exchemist]

Yes you are correct. Some years ago Turkey declared itself as a secular country and made great progress in economic development and greater civil rights for women. With its present religious government, freedom of speech has been chilled, once forbidden headscarf's are worn, famous Christian Cathedrals have been activated into a Mosque , and aggressive military endeavors have been undertaken. I have been to Turkey as a tourist and it was great! But I would not go under present circumstances.

You’re wrong about Hagia Sophia. That was turned into a mosque at the fall of Constantinople in 1453. It has been a mosque for over 500 years.

It became a museum in 1935 and has just been reinstated as a mosque, though tourists can still visit it as before.

 

[Thief]

Women in Turkey took to Twitter on Wednesday to blast Turkey’s top religious authority over a series of fatwas, in which the Religious Affairs Directorate (Diyanet) has advised women to accept violence at the hands of their husbands and use discussion to solve their probleTurkey’s top religious body sparks Twitter ire with fatwas on violence against women | Ahvalms.

years ago...someone posted the beheading of a woman
by some guy in a white tunic and head dress

the police were present
they did nothing
it was a public execution in the street

she screamed....
but now that women can't breath

 

[Onoma]

Maybe all female UFC or boxing, aside from that, I'd say no