Is Violence Against Women Ever Acceptable?

[crossfire]

No, it's not and the fear can even be only in the head of the wife. What would the world be like if every single short tempered man was without a wife and therefore without children?

If violence is genetic, then it would mean fewer violent genes in the gene pool.

 

[crossfire]

i have been subject to violence and so i trained to give back what i receive in case it happens again. I now hope that any man who attempts to hit me is partial to hospital food.

Everyone should have their daughters take martial arts lessons.

 

[Piculet]

A marriage is a partnership. It is not slavery. A marriage based on the authority of one person is not a partnership and is thereby not a real marriage in my view.

Definition of partnership
1 : the state of being a partner : participation scientists working in partnership with each other
2a : a legal relation existing between two or more persons contractually associated as joint principals in a business began a legal partnership with his uncle
b : the persons joined together in a partnership the partnership computes its net income … in a manner similar to that of an individual— J. K. Lasser
3 : a relationship resembling a legal partnership and usually involving close cooperation between parties having specified and joint rights and responsibilities
Definition of PARTNERSHIP

Looks like partnership to me.

And what about the man? Is committing violence against his wife not immoral?

Definition of violence
1a : the use of physical force so as to injure, abuse, damage, or destroy
b : an instance of violent treatment or procedure
2 : injury by or as if by distortion, infringement, or profanation : outrage
3a : intense, turbulent, or furious and often destructive action or force the violence of the storm
b : vehement feeling or expression : fervor also : an instance of such action or feeling
c : a clashing or jarring quality : discordance
4 : undue alteration (as of wording or sense in editing a text)
Definition of VIOLENCE

Yes, yes it is.

 

[icehorse]

Women in Turkey took to Twitter on Wednesday to blast Turkey’s top religious authority over a series of fatwas, in which the Religious Affairs Directorate (Diyanet) has advised women to accept violence at the hands of their husbands and use discussion to solve their probleTurkey’s top religious body sparks Twitter ire with fatwas on violence against women | Ahvalms.

Many religions promote the best thinking from centuries ago. We've progressed, and violence is no longer seen as a good solution, except in some fundamentalist communities - sigh.

 

[Windwalker]

You’re wrong about Hagia Sophia. That was turned into a mosque at the fall of Constantinople in 1453. It has been a mosque for over 500 years.

It became a museum in 1935 and has just been reinstated as a mosque, though tourists can still visit it as before.

That's correct.

When Constantinople fell to Ottoman forces in 1453, Mehmed II the Conqueror converted it to a mosque, the Great Mosque of Ayasofya, and with time the Byzantine mosaics were covered over or destroyed and four great minarets were raised around the structure. It remained a mosque until 1934, when Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, the founder of the secular, modern republic of Turkey, transformed the Hagia Sophia into a museum, exposing long-concealed mosaics and marble floor decorations, in what was seen as a bid to free the monument, and the nation, from myths of sacred conquest.
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You can read the whole current story and concerns in this article: Opinion | The Hagia Sophia Was a Cathedral, a Mosque and a Museum. It’s Converting Again.

 

[Nakosis]

Only in necessary defense.
Usually not necessary, big physically bigger/stronger than most women it is fairly easy to restrain them without resorting to violence.

To use violence as a form of punishment against anyone is wrong IMO.

 

[Heyo]

If violence is genetic, then it would mean fewer violent genes in the gene pool.

If violence is learned, then it would mean fewer examples would lead to fewer violence in the future.

 

[crossfire]

If violence is learned, then it would mean fewer examples would lead to fewer violence in the future.

That too. Win--win.

 

[sun rise]

The article spoke of hitting. There's a significant difference.

No there is no difference. Violence, hitting, punching are all wrong. And there are Hadiths to that effect.

 

[sun rise]

No, it's not and the fear can even be only in the head of the wife. What would the world be like if every single short tempered man was without a wife and therefore without children?

A better world.

 

[Piculet]

Do we agree that marriage should not be set up, promised or forced by the family

The question is, does Islam rule so. Marriage can absolutely be set up, I.e. Arranged. It cannot be forced. Promised — I don't know what this means exactly.

Do we agree that the age for people to agree into a marriage should be the same as adulthood (

No.

What is the Qur'an saying about these questions?

I would hope my answers above are in line with the Quran. For any specific explanation, you'll have to ask a scholar.

Do you know what the laws in Turkey are

No.

 

[sun rise]

Maybe in a movie, but realistically. Some people just are short tempered - it doesn't mean they're violent. Furthermore, it doesn't mean they'd be bad husbands.

Hadith:

“And consort with them in kindness; and if you dislike them, it may be that you dislike a thing wherein Allah has placed much good.” (Surah al-Nisa, Ch.4: V.20)

 

[Piculet]

No there is no difference. Violence, hitting, punching are all wrong. And there are Hadiths to that effect.

Well actually it's more complicated than that because there is many types of hitting and many different situations.

But do tell everyone your 'apologetics' about 4:34.

 

[Piculet]

Hadith:

“And consort with them in kindness; and if you dislike them, it may be that you dislike a thing wherein Allah has placed much good.” (Surah al-Nisa, Ch.4: V.20)

Does that rule out the possibility a man has a short temper? What are you trying to say?

 

[crossfire]

Does that rule out the possibility a man has a short temper? What are you trying to say?

I don't know how it is in your culture, but here, not being able to control your temper is associated with two-year-old children. If you can't control your temper by the time you are four years old, there is probably some sort of psychological problem that is impairing one's ability to emotionally mature.

 

[Piculet]

A better world.

How do you not see your situation? You accuse random men for having a short temper, are willing to condemn them and deprive them of their basic human rights? Are you the same people who talk about humanity here, compassion and such?

 

[Piculet]

I don't know how it is in your culture, but here, not being able to control your temper is associated with two-year-old children. If you can't control your temper by the time you are four years old, there is probably some sort of psychological problem that is impairing one's ability to emotionally mature.

Unfortunately for you, and kind of for me too, I live in "your culture" and have eyes on my head so.. Nice lies.

 

[Heyo]

The question is, does Islam rule so. Marriage can absolutely be set up, I.e. Arranged. It cannot be forced. Promised — I don't know what this means exactly.

No.
I would hope my answers above are in line with the Quran. For any specific explanation, you'll have to ask a scholar.

No.

And therein lies the contradiction with

It's called marriage in this case. It isn't automatic. The woman knows what it is and she is asked if she wants to marry x and she says yes if she wants to and no if she doesn't.

How can a woman who is not an adult really understand and be free to decide?
How can an arranged marriage (together with pressure from the family) constitute a free decision?

Child marriage in Turkey - Wikipedia

And that is not only a problem in Turkey itself. Every now and then there are cases where a Turkish family living in Germany (and having German or dual citizenship) marries off underage girls in Turkey.

 

[crossfire]

Unfortunately for you, and kind of for me too, I live in "your culture" and have eyes on my head so.. Nice lies.

You must not be very observant then.

 

[Piculet]

You must not be very observant then.

Rather, I must be hallucinating.