Is Violence Against Women Ever Acceptable?

[Mike.Hester]

Women in Turkey took to Twitter on Wednesday to blast Turkey’s top religious authority over a series of fatwas, in which the Religious Affairs Directorate (Diyanet) has advised women to accept violence at the hands of their husbands and use discussion to solve their probleTurkey’s top religious body sparks Twitter ire with fatwas on violence against women | Ahvalms.

 

[Harel13]

I think most people here would say no (except, I think, if the woman in question is about to commit a violent crime and someone needs to stop her), but what you really need to is ask the Muslims, because those are the people in question here.

 

[Secret Chief]

That's a tough one.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Women in Turkey took to Twitter on Wednesday to blast Turkey’s top religious authority over a series of fatwas, in which the Religious Affairs Directorate (Diyanet) has advised women to accept violence at the hands of their husbands and use discussion to solve their probleTurkey’s top religious body sparks Twitter ire with fatwas on violence against women | Ahvalms.

Not really, and especially when it might be allowed because some particular religious doctrine allows such. Bin it! Turkey is going in a worrying direction, as are many countries at the moment.

 

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Women in Turkey took to Twitter on Wednesday to blast Turkey’s top religious authority over a series of fatwas, in which the Religious Affairs Directorate (Diyanet) has advised women to accept violence at the hands of their husbands and use discussion to solve their probleTurkey’s top religious body sparks Twitter ire with fatwas on violence against women | Ahvalms.

Outdated mindframe:

 

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[Mike.Hester]

Not really, and especially when it might be allowed because some particular religious doctrine allows such. Bin it! Turkey is going in a worrying direction, as are many countries at the moment.

Yes you are correct. Some years ago Turkey declared itself as a secular country and made great progress in economic development and greater civil rights for women. With its present religious government, freedom of speech has been chilled, once forbidden headscarf's are worn, famous Christian Cathedrals have been activated into a Mosque , and aggressive military endeavors have been undertaken. I have been to Turkey as a tourist and it was great! But I would not go under present circumstances.

 

[Polymath257]

I think most people here would say no (except, I think, if the woman in question is about to commit a violent crime and someone needs to stop her), but what you really need to is ask the Muslims, because those are the people in question here.

Violence against women is only acceptable in the same circumstances as violence against men. If a religion says otherwise, I consider it to be immoral.

 

[Erebus]

If somebody is attacking you then there's no problem with taking reasonable measures to defend yourself. This applies to anybody, regardless of their sex.

Punching somebody as a way of disciplining them is abhorrent. I would say that telling people not to defend themselves in those circumstances is also abhorrent.

 

[Mindmaster]

Women in Turkey took to Twitter on Wednesday to blast Turkey’s top religious authority over a series of fatwas, in which the Religious Affairs Directorate (Diyanet) has advised women to accept violence at the hands of their husbands and use discussion to solve their probleTurkey’s top religious body sparks Twitter ire with fatwas on violence against women | Ahvalms.

I find only one acceptable time. That's if she's throwing punches at you, but that's my general rule for anyone on this earth. You don't have to be punched nor does anyone else. If she has a weapon of some sort realize that most deaths come from blunt trauma and your politics don't matter in the hospital, lol. Some men will not hit back no matter what, but this is obviously foolish to me. If they will not stop they can kill you... It doesn't take a lot of force, just force properly applied. (or lucky)

After that, I find it completely unacceptable to use violence in any manner. Defense only. If you have to beat a woman to get her to listen to you then you need to work on your communication skills or find a new woman. You don't have to make yourself worse than the person that's screwing up. (in your view)

 

[Piculet]

Punching somebody

The article spoke of hitting. There's a significant difference.

 

[Polymath257]

The article spoke of hitting. There's a significant difference.

Not really, in context. It is violence either way and unacceptable.

 

[Erebus]

The article spoke of hitting. There's a significant difference.

Fair enough, allow me to rephrase:

Hitting somebody as a way of disciplining them is abhorrent. I would say that telling people not to defend themselves in those circumstances is also abhorrent.

 

[ChristineM]

The article spoke of hitting. There's a significant difference.

Not to the recipient, it is still violence

 

[Piculet]

While your source's mediabiasfactcheck page isn't impressive,

Ahval News - Media Bias/Fact Check

I didn't find anything wrong on that article. Just a bunch of people overracting when they heard the words fatwa, violence and women.

 

[Piculet]

Fair enough, allow me to rephrase:

Hitting somebody as a way of disciplining them is abhorrent. I would say that telling people not to defend themselves in those circumstances is also abhorrent.

So you advice the women to hit back, do you?

 

[ChristineM]

Women in Turkey took to Twitter on Wednesday to blast Turkey’s top religious authority over a series of fatwas, in which the Religious Affairs Directorate (Diyanet) has advised women to accept violence at the hands of their husbands and use discussion to solve their probleTurkey’s top religious body sparks Twitter ire with fatwas on violence against women | Ahvalms.

When a religion says it is ok to hit anyone then that is one really sad religion.

 

[Piculet]

Not to the recipient, it is still violence

There's a difference. Punching can be hitting, but hitting isn't necessarily punching. Slapping, for one, cannot be called punching. People like to use the word that gives the impression they prefer instead of the one that describes the reality best.

 

[Polymath257]

So you advice the women to hit back, do you?

If someone is being violently attacked, they have the right to defend themselves.

 

[ChristineM]

So you advice the women to hit back, do you?

i have been subject to violence and so i trained to give back what i receive in case it happens again. I now hope that any man who attempts to hit me is partial to hospital food.