Is Violence Against Women Ever Acceptable?

[Piculet]

I disagree. If she has a reasonable fear that he will hit her, she should leave him.

which would mean there are other reasons for the divorce than the fear he might hit her.

 

[Mock Turtle]

No, it's not and the fear can even be only in the head of the wife. What would the world be like if every single short tempered man was without a wife and therefore without children?

Pray tell us.

 

[Polymath257]

which would mean there are other reasons for the divorce than the fear he might hit her.

That would be sufficient, though. Yes, there are probable other reasons as well. But fear of being hit is quite enough.

 

[Piculet]

The world would be MUCH better.

You might not exist. The population problem would probably not exist.

 

[Piculet]

Pray tell us.

Absurd

 

[McBell]

Well the article speaks of a man attempting to hit his wife and a woman fearing her husband might hit her. Neither of which alone are sufficient reason for a divorce.

I completely disagree.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Absurd

Look in the mirror, chum.

 

[Polymath257]

You might not exist. The population problem would probably not exist.

Maybe short tempered men would learn to control themselves. That would be a most excellent thing to have happen.

And you are wrong about my not existing and the population not existing. In fact, it is interesting that you think it would have that consequence: probably a result of living in a society that tolerates such behavior.

 

[Piculet]

That would be sufficient, though. Yes, there are probable other reasons as well. But fear of being hit is quite enough.

Not in a proper marriage. Like it was quoted in the article:

“Young people nowadays can just end things (quickly). We advise you to consult with senior members of the family to overcome this,’’ it said.

Without faith, you can throw the marriage to the garbage as soon as the first obstacle comes around. When you want to obey God, you gain some endurance and try first.

 

[Polymath257]

Not in a proper marriage. Like it was quoted in the article:
Without faith, you can throw the marriage to the garbage as soon as the first obstacle comes around. When you want to obey God, you gain some endurance and try first.

This is NOT simply an 'obstacle'. It is fear of violence. And that is quite enough to leave the jerk.

In a 'proper' marriage, this would not be an issue at all.

 

[McBell]

Not in a proper marriage. Like it was quoted in the article:
Without faith, you can throw the marriage to the garbage as soon as the first obstacle comes around. When you want to obey God, you gain some endurance and try first.

Um...
Are you claiming that God says it is ok to hit women?

 

[McBell]

Yes, but if the participants are husband and wife and the attacker is the husband, the woman's most reasonable defense usually — just as a mufti was quoted saying in the article — to leave the situation.

ah, so you agree with getting divorced?

 

[Piculet]

Maybe short tempered men would learn to control themselves. That would be a most excellent thing to have happen.

Maybe in a movie, but realistically. Some people just are short tempered - it doesn't mean they're violent. Furthermore, it doesn't mean they'd be bad husbands.

And you are wrong about my not existing and the population not existing.

How would you know that? Have you never met anyone with a short temper or read about them from the news? They exist and there is a lot of them.

 

[ChristineM]

There frequently is, even though the letters in the word remain the same. Let's not forget the point; there's a difference between punching and hitting. Sometimes they can be used interchangeably, but not always, and both words give the sentence a different color.

Both are violence, sometime hitting can be far worse then punching, example, my father was put into a coma for a month and died 3 times because he was hit (not punched) in the head with a half brick?

We are not talking prose here, we are talking physical violence

 

[McBell]

Not really, in context. It is violence either way and unacceptable.

Um....
Would not the "context" be the ex-boyfriend beating her to death?

 

[Polymath257]

Maybe in a movie, but realistically. Some people just are short tempered - it doesn't mean they're violent. Furthermore, it doesn't mean they'd be bad husbands.

If they threaten to hit their wives, they are bad husbands. Simple.

How would you know that? Have you never met anyone with a short temper or read about them from the news? They exist and there is a lot of them.

And they should neither be married nor have children. They should learn to control their anger and not be so short tempered *before* getting married or having children. If they cannot learn that, they should not do either.

 

[Mindmaster]

One of the big reasons traditional religions are morally problematic.

Well, it is basically important to understand the context as well. Traditionally, the level of confidence you have with a pastor/priest is higher than your doctor. (Doctors are bound by HIPAA, but court authorities can circumvent this.) Your pastor is likely to withhold and deny the information was given to them no matter what. Usually what happens here is the pastor/priest who hears of the trouble will refer this to another pastor/priest who specifically deals with these issues and has a degree in counseling. It would be essentially equivalent to seeing someone outside of the church, but with more confidentiality. The problem is as always when these people do their job you don't hear about it (which is the majority of the cases) and when they fail it's on blast.

Modern religions don't find it acceptable for either party to beat on the other, so this point is moot. Muslims, however, are kinda partying like it's 1399.

 

[Piculet]

ah, so you agree with getting divorced?

It doesn't require my agreement. I was referring to de-escalating of the situation which could potentially lead to violence or which has already led to violence.

 

[Polymath257]

It doesn't require my agreement. I was referring to de-escalating of the situation which could potentially lead to violence or which has already led to violence.

if it has already led to violence, the best way to de-escalate is divorce and jail time for the violent person.

 

[ChristineM]

Not in a proper marriage.

What is your version of a proper marriage?

In my opinion a marriage where one partner lives in fear of violence from the other partner is not a proper marriage