Is Violence Against Women Ever Acceptable?

[McBell]

I don't blame you. I just point out that you try to manipulate the discussion in a way that is not constructive and that leads nowhere.

How is that any different than you attempts to manipulate the discussion in a way that makes you feel more comfortable expressing the immorality of Muslim marriage as described by yourself??

 

[Piculet]

And why not? It seems fair, doesn't it? Why allow one and not the other?

THAT is immoral.

I can't say from Islamic view because I could be wrong so this is just my personal understanding of why.... Because the husband has more authority. It would feel (probably) humiliating to him. There needs to be order in the family. In Islam man and woman aren't equal in every sense.

 

[ChristineM]

How dare the men pay for whatever their wife needs! Disgraceful, eh? Why can't women care for their children during the day and go to work at night while the children are asleep? You should write someone about that. Big changes will happen when westerners realise they can raise their kids themselves.

 

[stvdv]

I think most people here would say no (except, I think, if the woman in question is about to commit a violent crime and someone needs to stop her).

but what you really need to is ask the Muslims, because those are the people in question here.

I disagree. I would say "You need to ask the Muslimas", not the Muslims.

 

[Mindmaster]

What modern religions and where do they prohibit this?

A list would be long, but suffice to say it's not acceptable anymore. Most religious leaders hearing of this problem would get involved directly to try to resolve the conflict. Pastors and priests often have insight that outside services will not, and maybe know specific detail that would be helpful toward the resolution. Of course, there are always cultures that find wife-beating acceptable and this has nothing to do with the faiths present in that country it only seems to be the case on the surface.

 

[stvdv]

What is your version of a proper marriage?

In my opinion a marriage where one partner lives in fear of violence from the other partner is not a proper marriage

Normally I love "In my opinion"; great and respectful

Here it is better even without

 

[Mike.Hester]

Um...
Are you claiming that God says it is ok to hit women?

The Koran is very clear>
“Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband’s] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance – [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.”

 

[McBell]

The Koran is very clear>
“Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband’s] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance – [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.”

I understand that.
I was curious as to his personal thoughts on the matter.

Unfortunately he ran tailed tucked from the question.

 

[Polymath257]

I can't say from Islamic view because I could be wrong so this is just my personal understanding of why.... Because the husband has more authority. It would feel (probably) humiliating to him. There needs to be order in the family. In Islam man and woman aren't equal in every sense.

And, again, to me that is immoral. A man who would beat a woman deserves to be humiliated.

 

[stvdv]

forsake them in bed; and [finally],
strike them

I think the Muslim man never manages the first part
So, I think most women should be save, if Muslim men follows Koran correctly
(esp. considering "[finally]", this indicates "long time forsake them in bed")

 

[Vinayaka]

Maybe short tempered men would learn to control themselves. That would be a most excellent thing to have happen.

And you are wrong about my not existing and the population not existing. In fact, it is interesting that you think it would have that consequence: probably a result of living in a society that tolerates such behavior.

Temper might flair under certain conditions, but there are about a zillion things a person can do besides strike another person. (Go for a walk.)

 

[Heyo]

I think most people here would say no (except, I think, if the woman in question is about to commit a violent crime and someone needs to stop her), but what you really need to is ask the Muslims, because those are the people in question here.

Unfortunately there are no reasonable Muslim here to have a sensible discussion.
(I remember the one we had over an other immoral, religious practice.)

 

[columbus]

Yes, leave the battering husband. Charge him with battery and divorce the jerk.

Unless, of course you live in a religious society. Where the battering husband gets custody of the children, the assets, and you are now just someone else's ex.
Tom

 

[robocop (actually)]

Women in Turkey took to Twitter on Wednesday to blast Turkey’s top religious authority over a series of fatwas, in which the Religious Affairs Directorate (Diyanet) has advised women to accept violence at the hands of their husbands and use discussion to solve their probleTurkey’s top religious body sparks Twitter ire with fatwas on violence against women | Ahvalms.

Female violence is real, and if it happens a man can defend himself.

 

[Piculet]

I understand that.
I was curious as to his personal thoughts on the matter.

Unfortunately he ran tailed tucked from the question.

I thought your question was sincere. Are they ever? If they're not, I don't need to waste time replying.

 

[Fool]

Women in Turkey took to Twitter on Wednesday to blast Turkey’s top religious authority over a series of fatwas, in which the Religious Affairs Directorate (Diyanet) has advised women to accept violence at the hands of their husbands and use discussion to solve their probleTurkey’s top religious body sparks Twitter ire with fatwas on violence against women | Ahvalms.

violence isn't acceptable, not matter the sex.

 

[Piculet]

A list would be l

Can you name 3?

 

[Heyo]

Women in Turkey took to Twitter on Wednesday to blast Turkey’s top religious authority over a series of fatwas, in which the Religious Affairs Directorate (Diyanet) has advised women to accept violence at the hands of their husbands and use discussion to solve their probleTurkey’s top religious body sparks Twitter ire with fatwas on violence against women | Ahvalms.

Is violence against women ever acceptable?
No, but that is not the question in the article.

Is it ever acceptable to promote, accept or downplay violence (especially against women) by a religious or governing institution?
... is the more interesting question with much more far-reaching consequences.
E.g.: In Germany calling to commit a crime is itself a crime. Domestic violence is a crime. Thus, at least in theory, Islam could be declared a criminal organization and banned. (Won't happen.)
But of course such a fatwa helps to promote the view that Islam is a medieval religion that is morally still in the 7th century. And it helps Turkey to move farther away from Europe than it ever was.

 

[McBell]

I thought your question was sincere. Are they ever? If they're not, I don't need to waste time replying.

You are free to use whatever excuse you like to protect your feelings.
Makes no difference to me.

 

[Heyo]

So you advice the women to hit back, do you?

With all their might. That may be physically, intellectually, legally or by asking her brothers to have a serious talk with her husband.

 

[ChristineM]

I don't blame you. I just point out that you try to manipulate the discussion in a way that is not constructive and that leads nowhere.

No, i say it how i think it is, it you disagree with that, its not my problem

And of course saying violence is wrong is manipulating the discussion how?