Is your denomination based on Calvinism? Do you Care?

[anthony55]

muff:

Paul says God knows who are His but that does not guarantee strict determinism only existing reality ie at any point in time God knows who is His but that does not preclude conversion.

It ensures conversion though. And God knew or foreknew His People before conversion, in fact before the world began.

Just like Jeremiah the Prophet, He was known of God before his conversion Jer 1:5

Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations

This did not mean that Jeremiah would not still be born a sinner in need of conversion, but it did ensure that would happen, and so it is with all the chosen of God in Christ Jesus.

 

[anthony55]

soj:

If grace is true, if the Jesus Event is efficacious, then it was for all humanity, and all humanity benefits from it. No matter what they believe.

Grace is True and it is efficacious, but its limited to the Election of Grace, not all humanity, no matter what you believe. Rom 11:5

Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace

 

[anthony55]

Grace is efficacious because it reigns through Jesus Christ ! Rom 5:17,21

For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

 

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muff:



It ensures conversion though. And God knew or foreknew His People before conversion, in fact before the world began.

Just like Jeremiah the Prophet, He was known of God before his conversion Jer 1:5

Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations

This did not mean that Jeremiah would not still be born a sinner in need of conversion, but it did ensure that would happen, and so it is with all the chosen of God in Christ Jesus.

However it is not God doing the ensuring. He is simply observing. And the fact that God knows does not change the fact that the event still has to occur. Without the passage of time the event would not occur and the person would not be converted.
In this God plays a big part because He places us on the timeline and in situations of His own choosing that would be most likely to lead to a person's conversion. Now if that didn't happen at a previous time, it does not mean that I wasn't chosen to convert but only that I had not reached my time and situation yet where I would be willing to convert.

On the contrary, Jeremiah may already have converted in a previous life. Conversion does not remove sin. Jeremiah was chosen because he was ready before he was born. This can not be said of everyone. Some people are still not ready for God even at this late date. God can't choose to use someone who isn't ready for it unless He wants to back door it, ie use the person as a dupe.