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Question: For such an historical event does the Quran mention Ishmael as the one that was going to be sacrificed?
Your scriptural proof­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­ here______________________
Fact: Even the Qur’an, speaks of Abraham who would “offer a sacrifice.” Sura 37:101, 102
Fact: The Holy Scriptures clearly says the covenant is with Isaac. Geneses 17:18 To this God said: “Sarah your wife is indeed bearing you a son, and you must call his name Isaac. And I will establish my covenant with him for a covenant to time indefinite to his seed after him
Fact: The Holy Scriptures clearly states that Isaac would be the one sacrificed. Geneses 22:2 And he went on to say: “Take, please, your son, your only son whom you so love, Isaac,
Some may argue if this is the case what aboutDeuteronomy 21:15-17, that is a clear contradiction. So, Ishmael must be the first born as stated by the bible and his rights cannot be taken away as says the bible.
Contradiction, no, interpretation, yes! “However, when the full facts are brought to light even the seeming contradiction itself disappears.”
Fact: In Israel the father could transfer the birthright if he had a good reason, giving the firstborn’s inheritance to a younger son.
Scriptural Proof: Deuteronomy 49:3,4 “Reu′ben, you are my firstborn, my vigor and the beginning of my generative power, the excellence of dignity and the excellence of strength. 4 With reckless license like waters, do not you excel, because you have gone up to your father’s bed. At that time you profaned my lounge.
In the instances of this noted in the Bible, it was not through whim or favoritism, but there was a basis on which the father determined to make the change in the birthright inheritance. Ishmael, as Abraham’s oldest son, was prospective heir for about 14 years.
Scriptural Proof:Geneses 16:16; 17:18-21; 21:5 But at Sarah’s request and with God’s approval, Abraham dismissed Ishmael, then about 19 years of age. Isaac then possessed the firstborn’s right and later received everything that Abraham had, with the exception of gifts that Abraham gave to sons later born to him by Keturah. Reuben the firstborn of Jacob lost his birthright inheritance by reason of fornication with his father’s concubine. (Geneses 49:3, 4; 1Ch 5:1, 2) Jacob gave the greater blessing to Ephraim, Joseph’s younger son, rather than to Manasseh, the older.—Geneses 48:13-19.
Now, on the matter of “only son”, it is noteworthy that Isaac was an “only son” in a double sense. He was the only son of Abraham’s wife Sarah (and the only son remaining in Abraham’s household at the time that God spoke the words found at Genesis 22:1, 2. Qur’an translator Ali admits that “Muslim tradition . . . is not unanimous on this point.” Some Moslem writers agree with the Biblical account that Isaac was the prospective sacrifice.
Question: If this account is corrupt as some may wish to believe, then what proof do the Muslim communities have of the original text of what it should read? From what I see everyone seems to be open minded. But to present something as fact without proof or solid evidence is just a theory.
Your scriptural proof­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­ here______________________
If you have no proof it can’t be truth!
In order to understand and accept this event one must leave personal opinion and emotional feelings out and believe in God’s inspired word not bits and pieces of it.
Example, either you accept the WHOLE book of Geneses or you do not accept the book of Geneses at all. To pick and choose truth to our liken is truly the nature of man but not of God.
There are two very, very, very important questions one must ask and know to understand this whole historical and Biblical event of Isaac and Ishmael.
1) Why sacrifice Isaac, Sarah’s “only son” that was promise to her?
2) Why dismiss Hagar and Ishmael from Abraham’s household?
3) Why does Prophet Muhammad’s Quran undermine the previous Scriptures?
First Answer:Geneses 22:18 BY MEANS of your seed all nations of the earth will certainly bless themselves.” The Qur’an refers many times to Bible incidents and characters. In fact, its recognition of Abraham, Ishmael, Moses, Jesus and others comes from the Holy Scriptures (Bible) which was completed nearly 600 years before the beginning of the Mohammedan era. Therefore, what is the Bible’s view? Did God purpose to bless all mankind through the line of Ishmael? Geneses 21:12 tells you…
Second Answer: Hagar began despising Abraham’s wife Sarah, Geneses 16:4!Geneses 21:9 says that Ishmael as a big brother was taunting/persecuting Isaac his much younger brother, it was with malicious intent! Look at what one inspired Bible writer had to say about that event, Galatians 4:29….
So, ridicule and verbal attacks can legitimately be called persecution. In fact, according to Geneses 16:12, this persecution would come right back to Ishmael and his descendants “His hand will be against everyone, and the hand of everyone will be against him…Would this have to do with the Middle Eastern conflict? Let the reader discern.
Did Allah or God, Muhammad or Abraham disagree with them being dismissed? No.
Scriptural Proof: Geneses 21:12 & 16:6 Allah/God told Abraham to listen to his wife.
“Then God said to Abraham: “Do not let anything that Sarah keeps saying to you be displeasing to you about the boy and about your slave girl. Listen to her voice, because it is by means of Isaac that what will be called your seed will be.”
Third Answer: To accept the covenant being threw Isaac would mean to accept Jesus as the “Promise seed” of Abraham and to eventually put Muhammad and his Quran on the back burner.
**If you disagree, please state your case with scriptural proof not with secular links, videos or opinions, I rather talk with you than a recording. If your belief can’t be proven within your own Holy book it’s undoubtedly questionable**
“If you doubt what we have revealed to you, ask those who have read the Scriptures before you.” (Sura 10, Yunis [Jonah], verse 94) & (Surah Al ‘Imran: 84-85)
Your scriptural proof­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­ here______________________
Fact: Even the Qur’an, speaks of Abraham who would “offer a sacrifice.” Sura 37:101, 102
Fact: The Holy Scriptures clearly says the covenant is with Isaac. Geneses 17:18 To this God said: “Sarah your wife is indeed bearing you a son, and you must call his name Isaac. And I will establish my covenant with him for a covenant to time indefinite to his seed after him
Fact: The Holy Scriptures clearly states that Isaac would be the one sacrificed. Geneses 22:2 And he went on to say: “Take, please, your son, your only son whom you so love, Isaac,
Some may argue if this is the case what aboutDeuteronomy 21:15-17, that is a clear contradiction. So, Ishmael must be the first born as stated by the bible and his rights cannot be taken away as says the bible.
Contradiction, no, interpretation, yes! “However, when the full facts are brought to light even the seeming contradiction itself disappears.”
Fact: In Israel the father could transfer the birthright if he had a good reason, giving the firstborn’s inheritance to a younger son.
Scriptural Proof: Deuteronomy 49:3,4 “Reu′ben, you are my firstborn, my vigor and the beginning of my generative power, the excellence of dignity and the excellence of strength. 4 With reckless license like waters, do not you excel, because you have gone up to your father’s bed. At that time you profaned my lounge.
In the instances of this noted in the Bible, it was not through whim or favoritism, but there was a basis on which the father determined to make the change in the birthright inheritance. Ishmael, as Abraham’s oldest son, was prospective heir for about 14 years.
Scriptural Proof:Geneses 16:16; 17:18-21; 21:5 But at Sarah’s request and with God’s approval, Abraham dismissed Ishmael, then about 19 years of age. Isaac then possessed the firstborn’s right and later received everything that Abraham had, with the exception of gifts that Abraham gave to sons later born to him by Keturah. Reuben the firstborn of Jacob lost his birthright inheritance by reason of fornication with his father’s concubine. (Geneses 49:3, 4; 1Ch 5:1, 2) Jacob gave the greater blessing to Ephraim, Joseph’s younger son, rather than to Manasseh, the older.—Geneses 48:13-19.
Now, on the matter of “only son”, it is noteworthy that Isaac was an “only son” in a double sense. He was the only son of Abraham’s wife Sarah (and the only son remaining in Abraham’s household at the time that God spoke the words found at Genesis 22:1, 2. Qur’an translator Ali admits that “Muslim tradition . . . is not unanimous on this point.” Some Moslem writers agree with the Biblical account that Isaac was the prospective sacrifice.
Question: If this account is corrupt as some may wish to believe, then what proof do the Muslim communities have of the original text of what it should read? From what I see everyone seems to be open minded. But to present something as fact without proof or solid evidence is just a theory.
Your scriptural proof­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­ here______________________
If you have no proof it can’t be truth!
In order to understand and accept this event one must leave personal opinion and emotional feelings out and believe in God’s inspired word not bits and pieces of it.
Example, either you accept the WHOLE book of Geneses or you do not accept the book of Geneses at all. To pick and choose truth to our liken is truly the nature of man but not of God.
There are two very, very, very important questions one must ask and know to understand this whole historical and Biblical event of Isaac and Ishmael.
1) Why sacrifice Isaac, Sarah’s “only son” that was promise to her?
2) Why dismiss Hagar and Ishmael from Abraham’s household?
3) Why does Prophet Muhammad’s Quran undermine the previous Scriptures?
First Answer:Geneses 22:18 BY MEANS of your seed all nations of the earth will certainly bless themselves.” The Qur’an refers many times to Bible incidents and characters. In fact, its recognition of Abraham, Ishmael, Moses, Jesus and others comes from the Holy Scriptures (Bible) which was completed nearly 600 years before the beginning of the Mohammedan era. Therefore, what is the Bible’s view? Did God purpose to bless all mankind through the line of Ishmael? Geneses 21:12 tells you…
Second Answer: Hagar began despising Abraham’s wife Sarah, Geneses 16:4!Geneses 21:9 says that Ishmael as a big brother was taunting/persecuting Isaac his much younger brother, it was with malicious intent! Look at what one inspired Bible writer had to say about that event, Galatians 4:29….
So, ridicule and verbal attacks can legitimately be called persecution. In fact, according to Geneses 16:12, this persecution would come right back to Ishmael and his descendants “His hand will be against everyone, and the hand of everyone will be against him…Would this have to do with the Middle Eastern conflict? Let the reader discern.
Did Allah or God, Muhammad or Abraham disagree with them being dismissed? No.
Scriptural Proof: Geneses 21:12 & 16:6 Allah/God told Abraham to listen to his wife.
“Then God said to Abraham: “Do not let anything that Sarah keeps saying to you be displeasing to you about the boy and about your slave girl. Listen to her voice, because it is by means of Isaac that what will be called your seed will be.”
Third Answer: To accept the covenant being threw Isaac would mean to accept Jesus as the “Promise seed” of Abraham and to eventually put Muhammad and his Quran on the back burner.
**If you disagree, please state your case with scriptural proof not with secular links, videos or opinions, I rather talk with you than a recording. If your belief can’t be proven within your own Holy book it’s undoubtedly questionable**
“If you doubt what we have revealed to you, ask those who have read the Scriptures before you.” (Sura 10, Yunis [Jonah], verse 94) & (Surah Al ‘Imran: 84-85)
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