Azrael Antilla
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Uhuh.. whatever bro. X
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ISIL, Taliban = True Islam??
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Azrael Antilla
Active Member
You presumably claim your iron age sky fairy exists?
firedragon
Veteran Member
Cheap insults aside, I didnt make that claim here.
Azrael Antilla
Active Member
I have not employed ad hominem. So you're dishonest and libellous too eh?
Azrael Antilla
Active Member
So you've never claimed your God thing exists? I can insult a figment of your imagination if I like. You know where the ignore function is ligaf.
firedragon
Veteran Member
I think you have a strange idea of ad hominem. Try not to make comments about the person but answer the question. Thats ad hominem.
firedragon
Veteran Member
Ah. So you are creating a caricature in order to get to your favourite topic, use some insults to feel good, even if the caricature is purely yours.
Thats called strawman.
Cheers.
Azrael Antilla
Active Member
Yeah, you see I just don't care enough to use ad hominem. X
Azrael Antilla
Active Member
What caricature? Your desperate blathering is boring. Bye for now.
The Imams (a) said all hadiths have to be referred to Quran and if contradicts to leave it, and if Quran affirms to follow, and if you don't know which of the two, to leave, till you find out.
However, this doesn't allow the stance to say Quran doesn't confirm. You have to show either it contradicts Quran or Quran affirms, while, they are arguing everything in terms of guidance can be found in both Quran and Sunnah, and they compliment one another.
So if you can't show Quran refutes a concept, can't say "Quran does not say". This is not allowed per hadiths.
And whoever denies a hadith without knowing is wrong, get's out of the realm of belief in Quran and Ahlulbayt (a) guiding nature per hadiths.
In reality, every component of Salah is in Quran, but not explicitly but with the Sunnah, we can see inward wisdom of the outward shariah, and confirm it in Quran.
While people write books in limited ways, the comprehensive nature of Quran in terms of guidance that it leaves no matter out, is part of the proof it's from God. But it's not easy to learn to use it and see everything in terms of guidance in there, and so Sunnah and hadiths are to be approached as well.
firedragon
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firedragon
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No worries mate. Cheers.
Also following hadiths without confirming it in Quran is allowed temporarily, if the person seriously can't find it in Quran and does not know it's wrong, and has intention it's right, the action is accepted. However, we have strive to find out everything in Quran and confirm all of the Sunnah in Quran.
So we aren't to follow what we have no knowledge of, but for starting people who have way to know and are not familiar with the Quran and Sunnah, they can do partial delegation to hadiths and scholars till they find out themselves.
This is not an excuse to remain ignorant, and knowledge is to be sought to clarify the insights in Quran and we are to reflect over Quran with help of ahadith.
So we aren't to follow what we have no knowledge of, but for starting people who have way to know and are not familiar with the Quran and Sunnah, they can do partial delegation to hadiths and scholars till they find out themselves.
This is not an excuse to remain ignorant, and knowledge is to be sought to clarify the insights in Quran and we are to reflect over Quran with help of ahadith.
firedragon
Veteran Member
Thats not what this person claimed. Read the comment I responded to.
Bro. You are talking about maayaarun. There is no question that the Quran is the yardstick, but ahadith validation is not like you have explained above. Do you really want to go there? And it has nothing to do with Shariah.
I'm just talking about what hadiths said about referring to Quran. If you don't find out something is refuted by Quran you have no right to say it's not in Quran, since Quran contains an explanation of all things in terms of guidance for humanity. This per ahadith of Imams (a) which you were asking.
Bahais quote everything half truth wise. I explained the holistic hadiths on this subject.
Azrael Antilla
Active Member
Nothing personal. I am a cantankerous "see you next Tuesday" whom has seen the worst and heard the worst. Imaginable. Makes you a bit cynical, a bit of a miserable *******. As I ve said before. It's nothing against Islam specifically. All theoloy is harmful. Imo. Which I can back up in the appropriate forum.
The dress code of Islam is a human right that should be implemented by all governments whether Islam is true or not. I can have one on one debate about this if you wish.
Azrael Antilla
Active Member
Create a thread by all means. I am not sure I oppose people choosing to dress in accordance with any religious code if they so wish.
It may surprise people to know that I support the freedom of personal religious expression, very strongly. I would consider it an inviolable human right. Which would include dress codes.
I may be devoutly atheist and secular.
However I stand for the greater good. For all humanity. We can't afford unending internal conflict. Our modern weapons can inflict catastrophic planet busting damage. No more war.
firedragon
Veteran Member
Well you have a good vocabulary.
But that's a good topic I think. So maybe I will open a thread, and tag you there so that you can make your case that "all theology is harmful".
Cheers.