Islam-Homosexual Bashing (again)

[Spirit of Light]

I've seen a lot of people say that they're fine to friends and family members who have the religious and social expectation to be straight but are absolutely miserable inside. And still have that sick to their stomach feeling every time they have to be intimate with their straight partner. It's a miserable existence and no good spirituality would have them maintain the farce.

I guess they feel

If my understanding about the facts of Fulan Gong are incorrect, please feel free to enlighten me.


OK.

Then I'd like to hear from you if it is true that Fulon Gong teaches that there are "distinct heavens for people of different races". True or not?

Then I'd like to hear from you if it is true that Fulon Gong teaches that extraterrestrial aliens are actively intervening in human affairs. True or not?

Then I'd like to hear from you if it is true that Fulon Gong teaches that aliens developed and introduced the technology used by humans today. True or not?



I did not say that Falun Gong has a connection to Scientology. I said...

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Do you not understand the difference?




Please do enlighten us.




In the meantime - from the horse's mouth:

Breaking News, Analysis, Politics, Blogs, News Photos, Video, Tech Reviews - TIME.com
TIME: Why does chaos reign now?
Li: Of course there is not just one reason. The biggest cause ... The second reason is that since the beginning of this century, aliens have begun to invade the human mind and its ideology and culture.

TIME: Where do they come from?
Li: The aliens come from other planets. ... Some are from dimensions that human beings have not yet discovered. The key is how they have corrupted mankind.
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The aliens have introduced modern machinery like computers and airplanes.
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The ultimate purpose is to replace humans. If cloning human beings succeeds, the aliens can officially replace humans. ... The aliens will take that opportunity to replace the human soul and by doing so they will enter earth and become earthlings.

When such people grow up, they will help replace humans with aliens. They will produce more and more clones. There will no longer be humans reproduced by humans. They will act like humans, but they will introduce legislation to stop human reproduction.
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It looks like Wikipedia was spot on.

I am not going to derail this thread by speaking about Falun Gong.
But I'm confirm that in your last post with your question most of the answers are, yes the teaching speak of those things.

The interview made with my teacher is as far as I can see his words yes.

But again, to pull out small snippets of the teaching and present it as falun gong is not the correct way to do it. As a practitioner I am not allowed to speak about how or why master Li Hongzhi say what he does, I can only give my own understanding of the teaching.
And remember for those who do not cultivate Falun Gong the teachings is not important, not can it be understood by a none practitioner.

But if a new OP is made to learn about Falun Gong and not to trash it or make false claims, I am willing to answer to my u understanding of the teaching.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

I guess they feel

Did your reply get cut off? If not, im sure we all feel.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Did your reply get cut off? If not, im sure we all feel.

Oh, yes it was cut off. Sorry.
I think they dere the same if a streight person had to live with someone og same gender

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Oh, yes it was cut off. Sorry.
I think they dere the same if a streight person had to live with someone og same gender

Yeah I agree. People should be free to be in whatever relationships of consenting individuals, without danger to their lives or livelihoods.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Yeah I agree. People should be free to be in whatever relationships of consenting individuals, without danger to their lives or livelihoods.

That i can agree on, i dont judge them, all i did say was that I could not live with a man. But what other do, is there business

 

[ecco]

And remember for those who do not cultivate Falun Gong the teachings is not important, not can it be understood by a none practitioner.

That sounds just like what we hear from other religions...

One cannot understand the Quran if one cannot read it in Arabic.​

But if a new OP is made to learn about Falun Gong and not to trash it or make false claims, I am willing to answer to my u understanding of the teaching.

Specifically, what false claims did I make about Falun Gong?

Specifically, what did I say that you consider "trash"?



But, in keeping with the context of the thread, the concept that homosexuality is bad is prevalent in religions that trace their roots back to the ignorant times.

 

[stvdv]

That sounds just like what we hear from other religions...
One cannot understand the Quran if one cannot read it in Arabic.

Conveniently used excuse by these people to camouflage inability to admit to mistakes in the Quran IMO

 

[ADigitalArtist]

That i can agree on, i dont judge them, all i did say was that I could not live with a man. But what other do, is there business

That's totally fine. Although I'm curious if you would call out those that do judge, would actively work to stop LGBT relationships, create toxic environments for them to live in, call those people on extremism...or merely say that their view is understandable and continue as if massive oppression of LGBT by some religious groups weren't happening.

 

[Debater Slayer]

It is not homophobia, both Islam and Christianity in the Abrahamic religions teach the act of homophilia is a sin, not to be born as a gay or lesbian.
Why is the act a sin according to mostly all religion or spiritual teachings, it is seen as a lack of morality.

So one has to make sure that it is only the homosexual act of two men or two female that is seen as a negative/ lack of morality, not the living persons them self as human being.

Why do you ask? It has to do with how man and woman was created, to be two people who could make offspring to next generation. An other issue is the ego, that no matter what others say " I want it anyway" is a sign of not being able to restrict one self.
Living a spiritual life is about being modest, being righteous, and following the teaching.

And since you only included Islam in your OP, they are not alone in having this in their teaching, so stop attacking Islam.

But I can make you happy again after my thread answer here. If you do not follow a spiritual teaching, you are basically free to do what ever you like. So go on and live your life as you wish. Nobody going to judge you in the end.

I do agree that gay people can "change" and live a very happy life with the opposite gender, I seen it happen.
Speaking from a straight persons P.O.W, I get sick in my stomach even just thinking of having sex with an other man. To me that is unthinkable to do.

For someone who repeatedly talks about "peace" and "enlightenment" so much, your above posts reek of buried hatred and prejudice. What you're basically saying is that since a lot of religious strains and denominations are homophobic and support bigotry, we shouldn't attack any of them because they're "not alone"--not to mention how ill-timed your mention of your hang-up about homosexual sex is in a thread about violence against LGBT asylum seekers.

Perhaps your priorities need readjustment if you believe such prejudice is compatible with being "enlightened."

 

[stvdv]

Although I'm curious if you would call out those that do judge, would actively work to stop LGBT relationships, create toxic environments for them to live in

I like this type of question, checking what someone really believes (meaning if he acts as he preaches)

English is not my first language, but it feels like you left out the word "not" here twice?

 

[ADigitalArtist]

I like this type of question, checking what someone really believes (meaning if he acts as he preaches)

English is not my first language, but it feels like you left out the word "not" here twice?

I was typing on my phone so it's possible that my sentence arrangements weren't very good. But my intent was:
"Although I'm curious if you would call out those that do judge, [those who] would actively work to stop LGBT relationships, [those who] create toxic environments for them to live in"

 

[Spirit of Light]

For someone who repeatedly talks about "peace" and "enlightenment" so much, your above posts reek of buried hatred and prejudice. What you're basically saying is that since a lot of religious strains and denominations are homophobic and support bigotry, we shouldn't attack any of them because they're "not alone"--not to mention how ill-timed your mention of your hang-up about homosexual sex is in a thread about violence against LGBT asylum seekers.

Perhaps your priorities need readjustment if you believe such prejudice is compatible with being "enlightened."

I have never Said i was enigheten,

 

[stvdv]

What you're basically saying is that since a lot of religious strains and denominations are homophobic and support bigotry, we shouldn't attack any of them because they're "not alone."

That is what I also sensed in reading it, and that makes no sense to me

Perhaps your priorities need readjustment if you believe such prejudice is compatible with being "enlightened."

Definitely I would say, and in this case without IMHO, at least when the objective is to "gain" this so called "enlightenment"

 

[Debater Slayer]

I have never Said i was enigheten,

Neither have I. What I said was that you talked about the concept way too much for someone who posted prejudiced statements like the ones I responded to.

 

[stvdv]

I was typing on my phone so it's possible that my sentence arrangements weren't very good. But my intent was:
"Although I'm curious if you would call out those that do judge, [those who] would actively work to stop LGBT relationships, [those who] create toxic environments for them to live in"

It seems I did interpret the line correct, but indeed this way there is no misunderstanding possible, and I am curious to the answer
(I totally understand, when typing on phone, things go wrong more easy; I really prefer my computer therefore; and I type much faster)

 

[Spirit of Light]

Neither have I. What I said was that you talked about the concept way too much for someone who posted prejudiced statements like the ones I responded to.

You do know that most religions, and spiritual teaching teach that homosexuality is an wrong action? I have my values from spiritual teaching. If that is wrong for you than that is no problem for me.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

You do know that most religions, and spiritual teaching teach that hemophilia is an wrong action? I have my values from spiritual teaching. If that is wrong for you than that is no problem for me.

This isn't actually true. Especially today. The majority of religious denominations are accepting of LGBT people and pro LGBT rights. It's only a minority of religions which are fundamentalist which become a stumbling block for LGBT rights. Because, in truth, it's super easy to leverage anti-LGBT values into anti-LGBT actions. And when people have to come to terms with how their anti-LGBT beliefs hurts people, they sometimes double-down on it. Try to make excuses for abusive actions like described in the OP.

 

[Trailblazer]

I only speak from the point of religious or spiritual people, atheists can do as the please.
But to live under the teaching of a spiritual teaching has some guidelines of morality, and those should be follow even lust want something else.

And sad to say, atheists do as they please.
Anything goes if you are not answerable to a God.
It is really that simple.

 

[Spirit of Light]

This isn't actually true. Especially today. The majority of religious denominations are accepting of LGBT people and pro LGBT rights. It's only a minority of religions which are fundamentalist which become a stumbling block for LGBT rights. Because, in truth, it's super easy to leverage anti-LGBT values into anti-LGBT actions. And when people have to come to terms with how their anti-LGBT beliefs hurts people, they sometimes double-down on it. Try to make excuses for abusive actions like described in the OP.

As I said earlier, it is not the person that is seen as the sin, it is the sexual act of homosexual that is what religions say is not a right way.
But notice I say within the religious communities. If you are not spiritual or religious, do as you wish it does not matter.

An other thing, some religious groups has changed the teaching to fit the humans so suddenly homophilia is ok. That was not in the original teaching. So it is human error.

 

[stvdv]

This isn't actually true. Especially today. The majority of religious denominations are accepting of LGBT people and pro LGBT rights.

I like the below quote on your page.

I agree. I live by similar ideas:
1) Be happy, if you are happy, others will be happy, all will be happy, the whole world will be happy; "God" will be happy
2) "God" does not exist in the way people imagine nowadays; that's only a figment of their imagination
3) "God" does not judge you whether you choose to be devotional or not,
4) "God" loves unconditional (that means no judgment whatsoever)
5) Helping Hands are better than praying lips to get a better world
6) Avoid "bad" company and run away (incl. bad-God mind)

7) IF God is that Great, and I know that I am that small, then I give God advantage of the doubt. Because what could I loose? If God exists, my choice was good. If God exists not, I lost nothing. And even better, I learn most when I "stay open" to whatever, until proven false.

I live by these words:
1) Live a good life.
2) If there are gods
3) and they are just, they will not care how devout you have been,
4) but will embrace you
5) based on the virtues you have lived by.
6) If there are gods but unjust, you should not want to worship them.

7) If there are no gods then you will be gone, but had lived a good life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones."
(Paraphrased, atheist wager)