Islam-Homosexual Bashing (again)

[Mike.Hester]

IT APPEARS that unabated homosexual bashing is occurring at asylum shelters at very high rates according to Dutch authorities, with security being reluctant to engage in serious intervention.
Open Season on Gays in Dutch Asylum Centers | Gates of Vienna
The Quran narrates the story of the "people of Lot" destroyed by the wrath of God because the men engaged in lustful carnal acts between themselves. Some hadith collections also condemn homosexual and transgender acts,[prescribing death penalty for male homosexual intercourse.LGBT in Islam - Wikipedia
So why is Islam homophobic?

 

[Spirit of Light]

IT APPEARS that unabated homosexual bashing is occurring at asylum shelters at very high rates according to Dutch authorities, with security being reluctant to engage in serious intervention.
Open Season on Gays in Dutch Asylum Centers | Gates of Vienna
The Quran narrates the story of the "people of Lot" destroyed by the wrath of God because the men engaged in lustful carnal acts between themselves. Some hadith collections also condemn homosexual and transgender acts,[prescribing death penalty for male homosexual intercourse.LGBT in Islam - Wikipedia
So why is Islam homophobic?

It is not homophobia, both Islam and Christianity in the Abrahamic religions teach the act of homophilia is a sin, not to be born as a gay or lesbian.
Why is the act a sin according to mostly all religion or spiritual teachings, it is seen as a lack of morality.

So one has to make sure that it is only the homosexual act of two men or two female that is seen as a negative/ lack of morality, not the living persons them self as human being.

Why do you ask? It has to do with how man and woman was created, to be two people who could make offspring to next generation. An other issue is the ego, that no matter what others say " I want it anyway" is a sign of not being able to restrict one self.
Living a spiritual life is about being modest, being righteous, and following the teaching.

And since you only included Islam in your OP, they are not alone in having this in their teaching, so stop attacking Islam.

But I can make you happy again after my thread answer here. If you do not follow a spiritual teaching, you are basically free to do what ever you like. So go on and live your life as you wish. Nobody going to judge you in the end.

 

[Eddi]

I used to have a Moslem friend

He was probably my best friend

I knew him since 1998

He was very nice, and was always tolerant towards homosexuality

Then one day, out of the blue, he started going on about how much he detested gays and spoke of a possible "war" against us - he basically said he wanted to exterminate the gays!

Good thing he didn't know I'm gay

I ditched him by text message, haven't heard form him since

When he made his little hateful speech it sounded as though he was parroting someone...

My theory is that he was radicalised

He always was incapable of critical thinking

If someone in authority were to tell him something he would automatically believe it

It's sad, as he was otherwise a nice guy

 

[Mindmaster]

It is not homophobia, both Islam and Christianity in the Abrahamic religions teach the act of homophilia is a sin, not to be born as a gay or lesbian.

I don't think people are born gay or lesbian, nor do I think anyone has to stay that way or even straight. People have been known to swap throughout their lives. Plenty of my gay friends in the past got married to women and are doing well, lol. Likewise with my lesbian friends who in many cases married men after they found the right one. For many people the tab A>slot B isn't that important and they're not picking partners based on that. Some would call that 'bi' but it's not really, it's just more that they have no preference. Though, if you asked any of these people in their teen years they'd be 100% this or that.

But, that being said I find irony in the Islamic position because many of them have no problem with pedophilia, but apparently that's not 'gay'. (Can't wrap my brain around the logic.)

 

[Spirit of Light]

I don't think people are born gay or lesbian, nor do I think anyone has to stay that way or even straight. People have been known to swap throughout their lives. Plenty of my gay friends in the past got married to women and are doing well, lol. Likewise with my lesbian friends who in many cases married men after they found the right one. For many people the tab A>slot B isn't that important and they're not picking partners based on that. Some would call that 'bi' but it's not really, it's just more that they have no preference. Though, if you asked any of these people in their teen years they'd be 100% this or that.

But, that being said I find irony in the Islamic position because many of them have no problem with pedophilia, but apparently that's not 'gay'. (Can't wrap my brain around the logic.)

I do agree that gay people can "change" and live a very happy life with the opposite gender, I seen it happen.
Speaking from a straight persons P.O.W, I get sick in my stomach even just thinking of having sex with an other man. To me that is unthinkable to do.

 

[stvdv]

But, that being said I find irony in the Islamic position because many of them have no problem with pedophilia, but apparently that's not 'gay'. (Can't wrap my brain around the logic.)

Some people can't control their (sexual) desires, and there are some who are hypocritical about it (act and pretend nothing happened)

 

[stvdv]

The Quran narrates the story of the "people of Lot" destroyed by the wrath of God because the men engaged in lustful carnal acts between themselves.

The people of Lot were destroyed by people, that is a fact.
This never proven "wrath of God" is conveniently used by the killers

 

[Mike.Hester]

It is not homophobia, both Islam and Christianity in the Abrahamic religions teach the act of homophilia is a sin, not to be born as a gay or lesbian.
Why is the act a sin according to mostly all religion or spiritual teachings, it is seen as a lack of morality.

So one has to make sure that it is only the homosexual act of two men or two female that is seen as a negative/ lack of morality, not the living persons them self as human being.

Why do you ask? It has to do with how man and woman was created, to be two people who could make offspring to next generation. An other issue is the ego, that no matter what others say " I want it anyway" is a sign of not being able to restrict one self.
Living a spiritual life is about being modest, being righteous, and following the teaching.

And since you only included Islam in your OP, they are not alone in having this in their teaching, so stop attacking Islam.

But I can make you happy again after my thread answer here. If you do not follow a spiritual teaching, you are basically free to do what ever you like. So go on and live your life as you wish. Nobody going to judge you in the end.

When was the last Christian or Jewish lynching of a homosexual? It happens almost everyday in Muslim countries.

 

[exchemist]

I quote Rationalwiki on the source used in the OP:

"Gates of Vienna is an Islamophobic blog originally begun on Blogspot in January 2003. It is run from Virginia by Edward (Ned) May, but often hosts European proponents of the Eurabia conspiracy theory, including Fjordman from Norway, the ideological inspiration for the far-right terrorist Anders Behring Breivik. [1]Other European contributors include "El Inglés", and "Seneca III" who seem to live in Spain. The blog played a major role in introducing the Eurabia theory to a US far-right public. It moved to self-hosting in January 2013 after being taken down twice by Blogger due to its extreme and racist content.

The title is a reference to the Ottoman siege of Vienna[2] which was lifted by an alliance of European Christian states. Opponents of Islam consider it a defining moment for the identity of Europe and the West, although, in fact, western European powers disdained to assist the Austrians, leaving the forces of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth to do most of the heavy lifting."

So I'm going to wait for a report from a reputable news organisation before taking any of this stuff at face value.

The Eurabia conspiracy theory is a piece of mad paranoia promoted in the USA by a (largely Jewish) lobby of right-wing antimuslims like Daniel Pipes.

 

[exchemist]

When was the last Christian or Jewish lynching of a homosexual? It happens almost everyday in Muslim countries.

Probably last week, in a US prison somewhere.

 

[Spirit of Light]

When was the last Christian or Jewish lynching of a homosexual? It happens almost everyday in Muslim countries.

That speaks more about the human then islam as a religion.
Sine you bashing religion i will stand you for all religion.

 

[SomeRandom]

That speaks more about the human then islam as a religion.
Sine you bashing religion i will stand you for all religion.

I can understand where Mr Mike is coming from though.
We have had to temper religious fanaticism in the West. This is not the same as saying all Christians will go around hanging gay people. Most Christians and Muslims are just regular folk doing what they think is best. But as a secular society we had to draw the line sharply. Religion is a very potent tool. It’s important to recognise this as well.
It seems as though this is not the case for Muslim majority countries. Insofar as secularism doesn’t seem as strong a force like it is in other countries.
I am not saying Muslims are somehow inferior or less “civilised.” Obviously.
But if you don’t temper fanatics with some sort of hard lines in the sand, radical ******** will besmirch the name of their professed ideology and hurt folks. We need Muslim majority countries to step up and temper this. I think they are more than capable. And there’s probably some poster here ready to point out examples to my ignorant idiot self.
But we need to call it as we see it as well. Countries (regardless of religious affiliation or lack thereof) that penalise homosexuality or at least “allow” gay bashing should be called out for such behaviour. IMHO

 

[ecco]

I don't think people are born gay or lesbian, nor do I think anyone has to stay that way or even straight.

Should we applaud the fact that your opinion has no basis in fact? Should we excuse your ignorance of science?

Plenty of my gay friends in the past got married to women and are doing well, lol.

lol indeed.
How did you come to have "Plenty of ... gay friends"? With your stated attitude, I doubt many homosexuals would have told you they were gay. I doubt that any would have wanted to be friends with you.

 

[ecco]

I do agree that gay people can "change" and live a very happy life with the opposite gender, I seen it happen.

Really? You seen(sic) it happen? Or did you read about it on some religious website that "cures" homosexuals?

Speaking from a straight persons P.O.W, I get sick in my stomach even just thinking of having sex with an other man. To me that is unthinkable to do.

You do not speak from the point of view of straight people. You speak from the point of view of your own prudish attitude and your biased mindset.

Personally, as a straight person, I get a little sick to my stomach when I hear your kind of intolerance. It really is disgusting. Most sexual intolerance is the result of religious childhood indoctrination. The earlier the indoctrination began and the deeper the indoctrination was, the more intolerant the resultant adult.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Really? You seen(sic) it happen? Or did you read about it on some religious website that "cures" homosexuals?



You do not speak from the point of view of straight people. You speak from the point of view of your own prudish attitude and your biased mindset.

Personally, as a straight person, I get a little sick to my stomach when I hear your kind of intolerance. It really is disgusting. Most sexual intolerance is the result of religious childhood indoctrination. The earlier the indoctrination began and the deeper the indoctrination was, the more intolerant the resultant adult.

Yes I have seen it happen, not that they are "magically cured" they just realize to live in sin is not the right way to live.

I only speak from the point of religious or spiritual people, atheists can do as the please.
But to live under the teaching of a spiritual teaching has some guidelines of morality, and those should be follow even lust want something else.

 

[ecco]

Yes I have seen it happen, not that they are "magically cured" they just realize to live in sin is not the right way to live.

Yes, some people are so afraid of living in religious sin that they would rather go against their knowledge of themselves and live a life of lies.

I only speak from the point of religious or spiritual people, atheists can do as the please.

Do you believe that you speak from the point of view of religious and spiritual people who are openly gay? Do you believe that you speak from the point of view of religious and spiritual people who are accepting of gay people? Do you believe that you speak from the point of view of religious and spiritual people who understand science?

But to live under the teaching of a spiritual teaching has some guidelines of morality, and those should be follow even lust want something else.

Your comments are no different from the comments of many holier-than-thou religious people. Sex bad. Prayer good.

Teachings of Falun Gong - Wikipedia
Falun Gong's teachings on the children of interracial marriages,[61][62] and noted a belief in distinct heavens for people of different races.[63] Concern stems from a statement of Li's identifying such children as products of "a chaotic situation brought about by mankind" indicative of "the Dharma-ending period"​

So the followers of Fulon Gong are racists as well. That's not surprising.

Teachings of Falun Gong - Wikipedia
About aliens, Li claimed that extraterrestrial aliens are actively intervening in human affairs.[68][69] Li claimed that aliens developed and introduced the technology used by humans today.[70][71] Li has denounced modern technology as part of an alien plot to undermine morality.[72] Li believes that human inventions such as mechanical flight and electronic computers were given to humans by aliens.[73]​

Really? Immorality is caused by aliens! Computers were given to humans by aliens? Aren't you sinning when you use an evil computer? Aren't you afraid you won't be going to your all-white heaven?

I'm glad we are having this discussion. I've learned that your religion has a lot in common with Scientology and Heaven's Gate.

 

[Revoltingest]

I do agree that gay people can "change" and live a very happy life with the opposite gender, I seen it happen.
Speaking from a straight persons P.O.W, I get sick in my stomach even just thinking of having sex with an other man. To me that is unthinkable to do.

I've seen many gay people not change, & live happy lives.
There's no reason I see to oppose this. Sure, I find it disgusting,
but that's just my reaction. It's irrelevant to the lives of others.
And being prohibited by ancient books full of myths, prescriptions,
& proscriptions means something only to people who believe those
books. The rest of us aren't bound by such superstition.
So it's fine with me if @columbus makes their gods cry.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Yes, some people are so afraid of living in religious sin that they would rather go against their knowledge of themselves and live a life of lies.




Do you believe that you speak from the point of view of religious and spiritual people who are openly gay? Do you believe that you speak from the point of view of religious and spiritual people who are accepting of gay people? Do you believe that you speak from the point of view of religious and spiritual people who understand science?



Your comments are no different from the comments of many holier-than-thou religious people. Sex bad. Prayer good.

Teachings of Falun Gong - Wikipedia
Falun Gong's teachings on the children of interracial marriages,[61][62] and noted a belief in distinct heavens for people of different races.[63] Concern stems from a statement of Li's identifying such children as products of "a chaotic situation brought about by mankind" indicative of "the Dharma-ending period"​

So the followers of Fulon Gong are racists as well. That's not surprising.

Teachings of Falun Gong - Wikipedia
About aliens, Li claimed that extraterrestrial aliens are actively intervening in human affairs.[68][69] Li claimed that aliens developed and introduced the technology used by humans today.[70][71] Li has denounced modern technology as part of an alien plot to undermine morality.[72] Li believes that human inventions such as mechanical flight and electronic computers were given to humans by aliens.[73]​

Really? Immorality is caused by aliens! Computers were given to humans by aliens? Aren't you sinning when you use an evil computer? Aren't you afraid you won't be going to your all-white heaven?

I'm glad we are having this discussion. I've learned that your religion has a lot in common with Scientology and Heaven's Gate.

If you going to trash my faith in Falun Gong this conversation ends here.
By the way if you do quote from the teaching, you better not use Wikipedia. Wikipedia has no knowledge about the teaching of falun gong.

Falun Gong has no connection to Scientology at all, stop coming with false information.
And yes there are reason why the teaching as it it is.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

I do agree that gay people can "change" and live a very happy life with the opposite gender, I seen it happen.
Speaking from a straight persons P.O.W, I get sick in my stomach even just thinking of having sex with an other man. To me that is unthinkable to do.

I've seen a lot of people say that they're fine to friends and family members who have the religious and social expectation to be straight but are absolutely miserable inside. And still have that sick to their stomach feeling every time they have to be intimate with their straight partner. It's a miserable existence and no good spirituality would have them maintain the farce.

 

[ecco]

If you going to trash my faith in Falun Gong this conversation ends here.

If my understanding about the facts of Fulan Gong are incorrect, please feel free to enlighten me.

By the way if you do quote from the teaching, you better not use Wikipedia. Wikipedia has no knowledge about the teaching of falun gong.

OK.

Then I'd like to hear from you if it is true that Fulon Gong teaches that there are "distinct heavens for people of different races". True or not?

Then I'd like to hear from you if it is true that Fulon Gong teaches that extraterrestrial aliens are actively intervening in human affairs. True or not?

Then I'd like to hear from you if it is true that Fulon Gong teaches that aliens developed and introduced the technology used by humans today. True or not?

Falun Gong has no connection to Scientology at all, stop coming with false information.

I did not say that Falun Gong has a connection to Scientology. I said...

I've learned that your religion has a lot in common with Scientology and Heaven's Gate.

Do you not understand the difference?

And yes there are reason why the teaching as it it is.

Please do enlighten us.




In the meantime - from the horse's mouth:

Breaking News, Analysis, Politics, Blogs, News Photos, Video, Tech Reviews - TIME.com
TIME: Why does chaos reign now?
Li: Of course there is not just one reason. The biggest cause ... The second reason is that since the beginning of this century, aliens have begun to invade the human mind and its ideology and culture.

TIME: Where do they come from?
Li: The aliens come from other planets. ... Some are from dimensions that human beings have not yet discovered. The key is how they have corrupted mankind.
...

The aliens have introduced modern machinery like computers and airplanes.
...

The ultimate purpose is to replace humans. If cloning human beings succeeds, the aliens can officially replace humans. ... The aliens will take that opportunity to replace the human soul and by doing so they will enter earth and become earthlings.

When such people grow up, they will help replace humans with aliens. They will produce more and more clones. There will no longer be humans reproduced by humans. They will act like humans, but they will introduce legislation to stop human reproduction.
​

It looks like Wikipedia was spot on.