Islam is a false religion per Quran itself.

[stanberger]

And just when did he ever use a sword?

In fact he stopped his own disciple from using a sword when he was being arrested. He even healed the ear of the man arresting him.

As to your guy - he was all about the sword.

Talk about a dog that won’t hunt.

And just when did he ever use a sword?

In fact he stopped his own disciple from using a sword when he was being arrested. He even healed the ear of the man arresting him.

As to your guy - he was all about the sword.

Talk about a dog that won’t hunt.

you can't order your followers to Jesus in Luke. 'go buy swords kill my deniers ' resulting in 700 million murders by your followers. crusaders. conquistadors. inquistioneyrs and then say oh I was just joking

 

[stanberger]

In at least 4 posts younhave made the claim that Jesus attacked rabbis with a whip. Since I don’t seem able to find such a verse in Christian scripture that says that, please cite to the exact verse that states explicitly that Jesus attacked rabbis with a whip.

its says Jesus attacked the rabbis in temple causing them to flee in terror

 

[stanberger]

So is that also why the Mahdi is said to be hidden? To keep them safe?

no Mehdi in quran

 

[stanberger]

Don’t forget about the tent-peg nonsense. It claims that mountains are like tent pegs, but a tent peg is foreign material such as wood or metal, whereas a mountain is merely the earth that has been thrusted up. So, nothing like a tent peg at all. Allah got it wrong. Again.

islamaphobe talking points. we're on to you mate go read 6th grade science to learn how deep mountains go down into the surface

 

[KWED]

nope. this verse was in regards to the pagan meccans occupying Mecca.

1. It is irrelevant what the context of the violence is, it is still violence.
2. You are wrong about the context. Verse 8:29 was revealed after the Battle of Badr, several years before the conquest of Mecca.
3. 9:29 says a similar thing - "Fight those who do not believe in Allah". This was revealed at the time of the expedition to Tabuk, a year after the conquest of Mecca.
4. All the verses and the several sahih hadith include the open-ended exhortation to fight until Islam reigns supreme, so cannot be referring to a specific historical event.

at the end of day no war was fought

Some Meccans tried to resist the Muslim army invading their homes, but the aggressors far outnumbered them.
As you think invading another state on some dodgy pretext is acceptable, presumably you support the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

and Muhammad gave immunity to the entire city

No he didn't. He had a hit list of people to be executed after taking the city "even if they are holding the curtains of the Kaaba", including four women.
And "immunity" was dependent on submission to Islam. Those that resisted were to be hunted down and killed (sura 9:5)

If nothing else, our little discussions may have taught you something about the Quran and Islam.

 

[KWED]

islamaphobe talking points.

It's hilarious how Muslim apologists always wheel out the "Islamophobe!!" banners when they are struggling. It's basically a white flag.

go read 6th grade science to learn how deep mountains go down into the surface

Yet another misrepresentation of science by dishonest apologists for gullible followers.
Mountains do not "go down into the surface". They are the surface. The surface is just thicker where there are mountains. Nothing like tent pegs.

Also remember that the Quran says that mountains stop the earth from shaking. This is another error. They do not. In reality, the most earthquake prone regions of the earth are also the most mountainous.

 

[KWED]

you can't order your followers to Jesus in Luke. 'go buy swords kill my deniers '

It does not say that. But then, we had already established that your knowledge of the Bible is as limited as your knowledge of the Quran.

resulting in 700 million murders by your followers. crusaders. conquistadors. inquistioneyrs and then say oh I was just joking

Whoah now!
You are claiming that "He who is without a sword, go and buy one" is the cause of all the death and suffering cause by Christians, but "Fight those who do not believe in Allah", and "Slay the idolators wherever you find them" and "Fight the disbelievers until all religion is for Allah" have not led to any violence from Muslims?

Mega dishonest or mega deluded. Don't know which is worse.

 

[KWED]

its says Jesus attacked the rabbis in temple causing them to flee in terror

Once again, you lack of knowledge of scripture (or your dishonesty) betrays you. The passage you are referring to recounts Jesus driving the gentile money-changers from the temple courtyard, for desecrating a holy site. He did not "attack the rabbis".

 

[KWED]

its says Jesus attacked the rabbis in temple causing them to flee in terror

I seem to remember you saying your father was a pastor in Texas. I can imagine that was quite the strict upbringing, every teenagers worst nightmare!
What better way to get back at him than to "convert to Islam" - I can picture the scene!
This would explain you lack of knowledge of both Christianity and Islam and your inability to engage in reasonable debate.
I hope things work out ok for you.

 

[stanberger]

1. It is irrelevant what the context of the violence is, it is still violence.
2. You are wrong about the context. Verse 8:29 was revealed after the Battle of Badr, several years before the conquest of Mecca.
3. 9:29 says a similar thing - "Fight those who do not believe in Allah". This was revealed at the time of the expedition to Tabuk, a year after the conquest of Mecca.
4. All the verses and the several sahih hadith include the open-ended exhortation to fight until Islam reigns supreme, so cannot be referring to a specific historical event.

Some Meccans tried to resist the Muslim army invading their homes, but the aggressors far outnumbered them.
As you think invading another state on some dodgy pretext is acceptable, presumably you support the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

No he didn't. He had a hit list of people to be executed after taking the city "even if they are holding the curtains of the Kaaba", including four women.
And "immunity" was dependent on submission to Islam. Those that resisted were to be hunted down and killed (sura 9:5)

If nothing else, our little discussions may have taught you something about the Quran and Islam.

 

[stanberger]

nope. no hit list. thats an islamphobe talking point. debunked long ago. ....moses when he slaughtered the medianites [numbers] explained why he murdered all women. men. elderly but kept the virgin children as war booty' 'to leave anyone alive would mean we would eventually face them again on the battlefield '

 

[KWED]

nope. no hit list. thats an islamphobe talking point. debunked long ago.

I understand that as you haven't even read the Quran, you certainly won't have ready other authentic, early Islamic scriptures...

"On the day of the Conquest, the Prophet (ﷺ) entered Mecca, wearing a helmet on his head. When he took it off, a man came and said, "Ibn Khatal is clinging to the curtain of the Ka`ba." The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Kill him." - Sahih Bukhari

"On the day of the Conquest of Makkah, the Messenger of Allah [SAW] granted amnesty to the people, except four men and two women. He said: 'Kill them, even if you find them clinging to the covers of Ka'bah.' - Sunan an-Nasa'i

"The apostle had instructed his commanders when they entered Mecca only to fight those who resisted them, except a small number who were to be killed even if they were found beneath the curtains of the Kaba.
"Abdullah Khatal had two singing-girls Fartana and her friend who used to sing satirical songs about the apostle, so he ordered that they should be killed" - Ibn Ishaq, Sirat Rasul Allah

Or perhaps you consider Muhammad's companions and renowned classical scholars to be "islamophobes"?

 

[stanberger]

I understand that as you haven't even read the Quran, you certainly won't have ready other authentic, early Islamic scriptures...

"On the day of the Conquest, the Prophet (ﷺ) entered Mecca, wearing a helmet on his head. When he took it off, a man came and said, "Ibn Khatal is clinging to the curtain of the Ka`ba." The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Kill him." - Sahih Bukhari

"On the day of the Conquest of Makkah, the Messenger of Allah [SAW] granted amnesty to the people, except four men and two women. He said: 'Kill them, even if you find them clinging to the covers of Ka'bah.' - Sunan an-Nasa'i

"The apostle had instructed his commanders when they entered Mecca only to fight those who resisted them, except a small number who were to be killed even if they were found beneath the curtains of the Kaba.
"Abdullah Khatal had two singing-girls Fartana and her friend who used to sing satirical songs about the apostle, so he ordered that they should be killed" - Ibn Ishaq, Sirat Rasul Allah

Or perhaps you consider Muhammad's companions and renowned classical scholars to be "islamophobes"?

I understand that as you haven't even read the Quran, you certainly won't have ready other authentic, early Islamic scriptures...

"On the day of the Conquest, the Prophet (ﷺ) entered Mecca, wearing a helmet on his head. When he took it off, a man came and said, "Ibn Khatal is clinging to the curtain of the Ka`ba." The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Kill him." - Sahih Bukhari

"On the day of the Conquest of Makkah, the Messenger of Allah [SAW] granted amnesty to the people, except four men and two women. He said: 'Kill them, even if you find them clinging to the covers of Ka'bah.' - Sunan an-Nasa'i

"The apostle had instructed his commanders when they entered Mecca only to fight those who resisted them, except a small number who were to be killed even if they were found beneath the curtains of the Kaba.
"Abdullah Khatal had two singing-girls Fartana and her friend who used to sing satirical songs about the apostle, so he ordered that they should be killed" - Ibn Ishaq, Sirat Rasul Allah

Or perhaps you consider Muhammad's companions and renowned classical scholars to be "islamophobes"?

 

[stanberger]

nope. this is not in quran. nice try. hadiths are man made sayings. take with a grain of salt nice try....this is a common islamaphobe tactic

 

[stanberger]

a common islamaphobe tactic mix in hadiths man made sayings and claim its in quran. a swing and a miss mate. hadiths are separated for a reason from quran [word of god]

 

[KWED]

nope. this is not in quran. nice try. hadiths are man made sayings. take with a grain of salt nice try....this is a common islamaphobe tactic

Are you seriously calling the hadith "Islamophobic"?
You do realise that they are a vital, recognised and authentic part of Islamic scripture? They record the words and deeds of Muhammad himself.
Given your severe lack of knowledge of, and misunderstanding of Islamic scripture, one has to question if you really are a Muslim at all.

 

[KWED]

a common islamaphobe tactic mix in hadiths man made sayings and claim its in quran. a swing and a miss mate. hadiths are separated for a reason from quran [word of god]

So are you claiming that everything in the sahih collections of Bukhari are made-up and false?

 

[stanberger]

Are you seriously calling the hadith "Islamophobic"?
You do realise that they are a vital, recognised and authentic part of Islamic scripture? They record the words and deeds of Muhammad himself.
Given your severe lack of knowledge of, and misunderstanding of Islamic scripture, one has to question if you really are a Muslim at all.

don't worry about me. worry about yourself son. trinity was voted on at nicea 325ad. its foreign to Jesus who said ' greatest command is to worship our lord the one god only ' today only muslims obey Jesus greatest command

 

[stevecanuck]

islamaphobe talking points. we're on to you mate go read 6th grade science to learn how deep mountains go down into the surface

What did I get wrong? Specifically.

1. Tent pegs ARE foreign material such as wood or metal. That's just a simple fact.

2. Mountains ARE previously flat layers that have been thrusted up by plate tectonics. That's just a simple fact. That means if you follow the layers back to there origins, they do indeed "go down into the surface". That was MY point.

3. (Bonus point). Mountains are NOT "firm". It took plate movement to create them, and those plates are still moving.

 

[stevecanuck]

a common islamaphobe tactic mix in hadiths man made sayings and claim its in quran. a swing and a miss mate. hadiths are separated for a reason from quran [word of god]

Ermmmm, quoting a hadith, and making it clear that it is a hadith is NOT a "claim it's in the Qur'an". Don't you feel a least a little shamed that you have to make such false claims to defend Islam?