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Islam is not a religion of terror. Is it?

mahasn ebn sawresho

Well-Known Member
Mahasn didn't say Islam was the only terrorist ideology in the world so yo
عرض الترجمة لـ الارهاب الاسلامي يحمل صفة الدين وهو اسوء انواع الارهاب كل ايدلوجيات العالم تحمل صفة معينة النازية تحمل صفة الرغبة في اعادة امجاد الامبراطورية الجرمانية الانكليز يحملون نزعة اعادة الشمس على ممتلكات انكلترا حروب العالم كانت من اجل المال والمصالح الدنيوية ولكن الله ليس طرفا في هذه الحروب ولكن الاسلام وضع الله في موقع القتال وفي ساحة المعركة المسلمون يقاتل
الترجمة بدلاً من ذلك من الارهاب الاسلامي يحمل صفة الدين وهو اسواء انواع الارهاب كل ايدلوجيات العالم تحمل صفة معينة النازية تحمل صفة الرغبة في اعادة امجاد الامبراطورية الجرمانية الانكليز يحملون نزعة اعادة الشمس على ممتلكات انكلترا حروب العالم كانت من اجل المال والمصالح الدنيوية ولكن الله ليس طرفا في هذه الحروب ولكن الاسلام وضع الله في موقع القتال وفي ساحة المعركة المسلمون يقاتلو
Islamic terrorism holds the recipe religion
It is the worst form of terrorism
All ideologies world bear a certain recipe
Nazi carry recipe desire to restore the glories of the Germanic empire
Englishmen have a tendency sun on the property re-England
The world wars was for the money and worldly interests
But God is not a party to these wars
But Islam put God in the fighting in the battlefield site
Muslims fight
 

mahasn ebn sawresho

Well-Known Member
You are simply wrong. Nothing like that happened in the time of Muhammad, the Defender of the peaceful faith, Islam:
Quote : Prophet Muhammad's letter about how Muslims should treat Christians
Despite being an overall minority, there is a significant Christian population living in countries like Syria, Turkey, Iraq, Lebanon, Palestine and Egypt.
World Bulletin / News Desk

Historically, Mohammed did not write any document for Christians
Written document is called the inventory age
They are considered charters fare worse than racism in the treatment of Christians
And also the words of Mohammed contrasts with the concept of the Koran and verses of the Koran
Because every human being is a Muslim within the borders of the Islamic state it is one of the dhimmis
The provisions of dhimmi known to the Muslim jurists
And the work of Muslims after their conquest of Egypt, Iraq and Syria to substantiateIt has become the indigenous population of the country to pay tribute to the colonists Muslims
The Christian and Jewish infidel and second-class citizens in Muslim countries
And it will give you some of the disclosure provisions of the Koran and so you know that the word Mohammed contrasts with what was written in the Koran
 

mahasn ebn sawresho

Well-Known Member
This is why in the words of Mohammed contrasts with the Qur'an
Sheikh Imam world mark Shamsuddin Zadeh God asked from the bounty of how the tribute placed on dhimmis Islamic country, and the reason for status, and limit the rich, middle and poor, where and how much they take from the rich and middle and poor Will be rewarded Parents Muslims things - supplied them with God - to force them out by their state on or not? It is taken from the rich and the poor and middle?

And replied: The reason for the development of the tribute he says: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor forbid what God and His Messenger, nor condemn the religion of truth from those who were given the book until they pay tribute out of hand and they are submissive
 

Shad

Veteran Member
paarsurrey said:

You are simply wrong.

No am I not since I put forward a hypothetical subjective view of a hypothetical reaction to unspecified acts. I can easily point out the execution of Jewish men based on puberty rather than guilt could be seen as terrorism. After all it is killing people that have done no wrong You went straight to a knee jerk reaction to defend your religion from a hypothetical. After all you agreed that terrorism is a vague and problematic term. You are contradicting yourself in your rush to defend your religion. The point went right over your head. I am not surprised since you rely on a website to make argument for you rather than make argument yourself. Otherwise you wouldn't get upset at a hypothetical..... nor would you impose someone claims as a counter to a hypothetical person's feelings towards an event. Do you know what hypothetical means?
 
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Useless2015

Active Member
Mahasn didn't say Islam was the only terrorist ideology in the world so you're setting up a strawman argument. You're also indulging in the tuquoque ('what about you?') fallacy - trying to excuse Islam's own atrocities by pointing out non-Muslims are just as bad. And in light of your sole claim to absolute truth & morality, that doesn't make any sense.

Islam already claims that it alone has access to the supreme source of morality in all creation so it's being set up on a pedestal above everyone else in terms of morality. For you to then turn around and try to justify your religion's crimes by comparing them to the actions of the immoral infidels is trying to have your cake and eating it. Either we're less moral and our actions aren't morally comparable - or our actions are morally comparable which means you're not morally superior.


You fail to see the point i made by asking that question...I am telling you that terrorism comes only from oppression. The Basque, Irish used same tactics as the 'muslim' terrorists and this was just recently in the 90ies.

Does it really have to do with Islaam?

I am not saying that non-muslims are bad, i am saying muslim or no muslim crazy intolerant people will always be here.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Could anyone explain Quran verses 2:19 3:151 8:12 9:5 9:29 and 9:123 all of which seem to advocate violence against non Muslims.
Please select one, repeat one, repeat one verse from the above verses which best represents your viewpoint, so that we discuss it threadbare with the context verses.
Regards
 

gnostic

The Lost One
No there are not. There are places that encourage freedom of religion instead. Which is amazing considering its written 1400 years ago.

“So warn them: your only task is to warn, you’re not supposed to force them.” (Qur’an, 88:21-22)

“Had your Lord wanted, all the people on earth would have believed. So will you force people to believe?” (Qur’an, 10:99)

“ There is no compulsion in religion…” (Qur’an, 2:256)

Excuse me, but you are making as if Muhammad or Islam (or the Qur'an) invented "religious tolerance" or "freedom of religion".

They didn't.

Freedom of religion have occur in many empires before that of Muhammad.

Before Muhammad, Augustus' policy was everyone were free to free to follow whatever religions they want, and believe in whatever gods they want. It wasn't his policy for anyone living in his empire to Roman religion. In fact, the Romans were free to worship any non-Roman deity he or she desired.

Of course, the Romans did later persecute Christians, and destroyed Jewish temple, but that because the Judaeans rebelled, and Rome's answer to any form of rebellions is to take punitive measures. Also, the Romans didn't understand Judaism or the worship of one God, so sometimes the Roman actions may cause offences, which might cause to Jews to rebel.

And of course, not all Roman emperors after Augustus would follow Augustus' policies.

Then there is Alexander the Great. No one were forced to worship Greek religion. He had anyone forcibly converted.

And in the Achaemenid Persian empire, before Alexander, there were no policies that force people in the provinces to adopt Zoroastrianism. People were free to follow their native religions or cults.

And if you look at the empires after Muhammad. The Mongolian empire of Ghengis Khan has a policy of freedom of religion. Ghengis Had never force others to adopt Mongol religion. He was even willing to learn from other religions.

And Muhammad's action sometimes contradict the Qur'an's verse of "no compulsion".

When he only spared men of Banu Qurayza from beheading because they had converted...that's compulsion.

When he ordered idols to be destroyed in Mecca, and elsewhere on the Arabian peninsula, that's not the action of freedom of religion. Again, compulsion.

More recently, with regarding to the Egyptian Christians or Copts, often have Egyptian Muslims acting like mob, destroying their churches, businesses or residential properties, simply because they are "not Muslims", demonstrated that Muslims in that country don't believe in equality. As long as there are Egyptians that don't convert to Islam, they would always be treated as "second citizens" by the Muslims. That's clearly another sign of compulsion.
 

MARCELLO

Transitioning from male to female
Please select one, repeat one, repeat one verse from the above verses which best represents your viewpoint, so that we discuss it threadbare with the context verses.
Regards
Just a simple question, are not you uncomfortable in the west where they eat pork and contradict most of your point of views? Rather than Dubai and Qatar ,there are almost nothing left as non muslims while you are a fat portion of Europe and I am sorry but you represent the worst of it,pls do not deny it. These are the facts. Why don't you understand that closing your face is illegal as KKK ? You don't allow your females to have education,may I ask you how can you let male doctors to examine vaginas of your females? Or do you simply no need for medical exam for your ladies?

Pls ,explain me your relation to technology rather than explosives? Pls also try to explain me how your communities would like to live like they were in 7th century. If so,why do you have mobile phones? Aren't the mobile phones products of infidels? Is not that haraam? If your sheria were perfect, why so many of yours wanna leave your homelands and leave for west? The best you could have had were the dictators of some kind.Pls try to fool me that your religous teachings are matching with democracy.

Your god ruled your prophet to marry as much as he could. Pls cite the spirit fullness in this verb. By the way, none of us miss the point that you took worst of Israiliat as the principles of your faith.
 

MARCELLO

Transitioning from male to female
If that is not enough, let me give you an example of your rampant discrimination ( of which you are crying ) that only your muslims can visit your Mecca. Explain that to me. Show me one muslim who were not allowed to visit Vatican or other holy places of non islamic world?

Does islam mean peace? You make me laugh... What were you doing in Spain ,Greece and Eastern Europe AND THAN in India and rest of the world? Were you telling what God means to the ones who has already known what God means?

Of course ,I don't believe that islam and its followers are terrorists, word terrorism is not enough to explain what you have been doing for over 1.5 millenium. Pls try to explain me why you were left this much backward though you have the black gold called oil? Even black gold could not work for you. Were not you the first slave owners for trade?

I am sorry for the modern muslims who are minorty of minority. I have lived in muslim countries for more than 8 years and I simply have no hope for you. Dress ,act and live like you did milleniums ago, but why do you force it to the west? Or in other words, though there is almost no western wanna live in your countries, why do you want to bring your uncivilization as a human right to the west? Your sheria is one of the most primitive motives, live it at your place or leave it.
 

MARCELLO

Transitioning from male to female
And more over, every religion has its own very special land,your holly land is Mecca,nobody denies that, but why do you want Jerusalem ,too? Is not Mecca enough for you? If not , why only Jerusalem? Why don't you ask for Vatican or other various holly cities? If Jerusalem were so important for you, why there were so little of your presence?
 

Useless2015

Active Member
And more over, every religion has its own very special land,your holly land is Mecca,nobody denies that, but why do you want Jerusalem ,too? Is not Mecca enough for you? If not , why only Jerusalem? Why don't you ask for Vatican or other various holly cities? If Jerusalem were so important for you, why there were so little of your presence?

What? Muslims at the start of Islaam used to face Jerusalem in prayer and its the same place from where Muhammed saw ascended to heaven.
 

MARCELLO

Transitioning from male to female
What? Muslims at the start of Islaam used to face Jerusalem in prayer and its the same place from where Muhammed saw ascended to heaven.
Though it was the holliest place for jews and as if there were no city left to be called holy . Why Mecca is not enough for you? Enough is not enough for you?
 

MARCELLO

Transitioning from male to female
Though it was the holliest place for jews and as if there were no city left to be called holy . Why Mecca is not enough for you? Enough is not enough for you?
Perhaps the moderate winters of Jerusalem made you feel it is holly, as I lived in Saudi Arabia,there is no winter of any kind,perhaps that was why you jumped into Spain but not into Africa ?
 

Useless2015

Active Member
Excuse me, but you are making as if Muhammad or Islam (or the Qur'an) invented "religious tolerance" or "freedom of religion".

They didn't.

Freedom of religion have occur in many empires before that of Muhammad.

Before Muhammad, Augustus' policy was everyone were free to free to follow whatever religions they want, and believe in whatever gods they want. It wasn't his policy for anyone living in his empire to Roman religion. In fact, the Romans were free to worship any non-Roman deity he or she desired.

Of course, the Romans did later persecute Christians, and destroyed Jewish temple, but that because the Judaeans rebelled, and Rome's answer to any form of rebellions is to take punitive measures. Also, the Romans didn't understand Judaism or the worship of one God, so sometimes the Roman actions may cause offences, which might cause to Jews to rebel.

And of course, not all Roman emperors after Augustus would follow Augustus' policies.

Then there is Alexander the Great. No one were forced to worship Greek religion. He had anyone forcibly converted.

And in the Achaemenid Persian empire, before Alexander, there were no policies that force people in the provinces to adopt Zoroastrianism. People were free to follow their native religions or cults.

And if you look at the empires after Muhammad. The Mongolian empire of Ghengis Khan has a policy of freedom of religion. Ghengis Had never force others to adopt Mongol religion. He was even willing to learn from other religions.

And Muhammad's action sometimes contradict the Qur'an's verse of "no compulsion".

When he only spared men of Banu Qurayza from beheading because they had converted...that's compulsion.

When he ordered idols to be destroyed in Mecca, and elsewhere on the Arabian peninsula, that's not the action of freedom of religion. Again, compulsion.

More recently, with regarding to the Egyptian Christians or Copts, often have Egyptian Muslims acting like mob, destroying their churches, businesses or residential properties, simply because they are "not Muslims", demonstrated that Muslims in that country don't believe in equality. As long as there are Egyptians that don't convert to Islam, they would always be treated as "second citizens" by the Muslims. That's clearly another sign of compulsion.


Lovely story mate but nowhere did i say freedom of religion was invented by the muslims...
 

MARCELLO

Transitioning from male to female
Why am I not allowed by law in Mecca as a nonmuslim,though I am not a Koffer,ALTHOUGH you can be perfectly accepted as refugee in Luxembourg because of how your political ruling is more than terrible? Why are you accepted in Luxembourg ,suppose that Luxembourg puts a law that non christians may not ever visit there. That would be discrimination,right?

But if I wanna go to visit Mecca, the traditions would not allow,huh?
 

Useless2015

Active Member
If that is not enough, let me give you an example of your rampant discrimination ( of which you are crying ) that only your muslims can visit your Mecca. Explain that to me. Show me one muslim who were not allowed to visit Vatican or other holy places of non islamic world?

I am not allowed to build a mosque in Vatican city. Why is that not discrimination?

Does islam mean peace? You make me laugh... What were you doing in Spain ,Greece and Eastern Europe AND THAN in India and rest of the world? Were you telling what God means to the ones who has already known what God means?

Who is 'you'?

Of course ,I don't believe that islam and its followers are terrorists, word terrorism is not enough to explain what you have been doing for over 1.5 millenium. Pls try to explain me why you were left this much backward though you have the black gold called oil? Even black gold could not work for you. Were not you the first slave owners for trade?

There are no muslims ruling Islaamic country's. They are dictators, corrupt and liars. Everything they do is to keep muslims down.

I am sorry for the modern muslims who are minorty of minority. I have lived in muslim countries for more than 8 years and I simply have no hope for you. Dress ,act and live like you did milleniums ago, but why do you force it to the west? Or in other words, though there is almost no western wanna live in your countries, why do you want to bring your uncivilization as a human right to the west? Your sheria is one of the most primitive motives, live it at your place or leave it.

Where is Sharia? Which country uses true Sharia?
 
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