Islam is not a religion of terror. Is it?

[MARCELLO]

I am not allowed to build a mosque in Vatican city. Why is that not discrimination?



Who is 'you'?



There are no muslims ruling Islaamic country's. They are dictators, corrupt and liars. Everything they do is to keep muslims down.



Where is Sharia? Which country uses true Sharia?

Who is you? The west,the europe where we have to welcome you because of what you have being in your own homelands. The European Union part of Europe with little population and economy.

If I were a girl, I could not have walked with my plain tshirt and just 1 inch above knee size skirt in most of your homelands. So how come can you walk on my street with 99% covered face, like a criminal who is hiding behind a mask?

 

[Useless2015]

Why am I not allowed by law in Mecca as a nonmuslim,though I am not a Koffer,ALTHOUGH you can be perfectly accepted as refugee in Luxembourg because of how your political ruling is more than terrible? Why are you accepted in Luxembourg ,suppose that Luxembourg puts a law that non christians may not ever visit there. That would be discrimination,right?

But if I wanna go to visit Mecca, the traditions would not allow,huh?

But in Luxemburg, church and state are seperate. Saudi Arabia uses religion. If you don't like it, move.

 

[Useless2015]

Who is you? The west,the europe where we have to welcome you because of what you have being in your own homelands. The European Union part of Europe with little population and economy.

I am not Syrian or Iraqi. I was born in Northern Europe, there is nothing to welcome me for.

If I were a girl, I could not have walked with my plain tshirt and just 1 inch above knee size skirt in most of your homelands. So how come can you walk on my street with 99% covered face, like a criminal who is hiding behind a mask?

Because Europe says its secular and that every religion is allowed to be practiced.

 

[MARCELLO]

But in Luxemburg, church and state are seperate. Saudi Arabia uses religion. If you don't like it, move.

Thanks for your advice,I will be moving from your land very soon,don't worry.The most massive fleet of us from your land may not exceed 100 thousands,including americans and other non muslims too.

In this case ,will you also move from ours with your tens of millions ,like your advice?

Let me speak frankly, if you have had a more honest accountant than me, I would not be hired here. So what are you so honest of being recruited in the west?

 

[MARCELLO]

I am not Syrian or Iraqi. I was born in Northern Europe, there is nothing to welcome me for.



Because Europe says its secular and that every religion is allowed to be practiced.

You are in such a dilemma and paradox.

 

[Useless2015]

Thanks for your advice,I will be moving from your land very soon,don't worry.The most massive fleet of us from your land may not exceed 100 thousands,including americans and other non muslims too.

In this case ,will you also move from ours with your tens of millions ,like your advice?

Let me speak frankly, if you have had a more honest accountant than me, I would not be hired here. So what are you so honest of being recruited in the west?

I dont have any land. So stay or move, could not care less. Why would i wanna move from the place i was born and raised?

 

[Useless2015]

You are in such a dilemma and paradox.

Yup. Well you need to understand what seperation of church and state means.

 

[gnostic]

Lovely story mate but nowhere did i say freedom of religion was invented by the muslims...

Ah, but you are missing my points of reply. It is not just about "freedom of religion"; it is also about the quotes you provided to lostwanderingsoul, that there are "no compulsion", according to the Qur'an.

Just an honest question for anyone who has studied the Koran. Are there places in the Koran that say people who do not believe in Islam must be converted or killed.

No there are not. There are places that encourage freedom of religion instead. Which is amazing considering its written 1400 years ago.

“So warn them: your only task is to warn, you’re not supposed to force them.” (Qur’an, 88:21-22)

“Had your Lord wanted, all the people on earth would have believed. So will you force people to believe?” (Qur’an, 10:99)

“ There is no compulsion in religion…” (Qur’an, 2:256)

My points also provided examples in which Muhammad himself contradict to the verses of "no compulsion".

(A) That he only spared Jews (Banu Qurayza) who not only surrendered after a siege, but converted to Islam, is a sign of compulsion or coercion.

(B) That (i) when Mecca surrendered to him after he marched into the town with a large army...compulsion.... (ii) and then began systematically destroying idols of other religion...more compulsion.

(C) But the destruction of idols didn't stop at Mecca. That Muhammad had his army campaigning into eastern Arabia, visiting town after town, destroying more idols, in places that never took side against him, is another sign of compulsion.​

His action went against the verses that stated "no compulsion". When his own actions contradict the verses, then the Qur'an is not law, but merely a guideline in which he can ignore at his whim.

And that's not only contradictions.

Muhammad's campaign into eastern and northern Arabia (630 - 632) is directly contradicting the verse 2:190, which is

Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not aggressors.

By marching to towns that were never involved in the war between Muslims and Meccans, then Muhammad and his army were the aggressors.

When he fled to Medina, his followers were smaller in numbers, and he began raiding and looting merchant caravans:

(A) That's an act of banditry or piracy - armed robbery. When do merchant caravans equal to an army?
It doesn't. It was robbery.
What does the Qur'an really say about stealing?
The only way you can do what Muhammad and his merry band of bandits did, in 623 - 624, would be view them as soldiers instead of merchants, therefore justifying the caravan raids as act of war. Muhammad's action that contradict verse 2:190 can also apply here.
Raiding caravans for loots and slave trade are not an act of self defence.

(B) The verse 8:41, in which Muslims should only take one-fifth spoil didn't apply here, with these raids.​

Muhammad also contradict the 8:41, when he ordered the banishment of Banu Qaynupa from Medina in 624, taking all their properties, ignoring the one-fifth rule. Muhammad's original idea was executing them, not expelling them; he was persuaded against mass executions by the Khazraj chieftain.

All these acts are that of aggressors. There is nothing defensive about the raids or the expulsion of the Qaynupa.

 

[gnostic]

I just find it's funny..."funny" in the ironic way, not the ha-ha funny...that Muhammad presented all these rules to his disciples, and yet that he can change the rules whenever it suit him.

I'd guess that rules were made to be broken, especially if one is a Messenger or a prophet.

 

[paarsurrey]

Just a simple question, are not you uncomfortable in the west where they eat pork and contradict most of your point of views? Rather than Dubai and Qatar ,there are almost nothing left as non muslims while you are a fat portion of Europe and I am sorry but you represent the worst of it,pls do not deny it. These are the facts. Why don't you understand that closing your face is illegal as KKK ? You don't allow your females to have education,may I ask you how can you let male doctors to examine vaginas of your females? Or do you simply no need for medical exam for your ladies?

Pls ,explain me your relation to technology rather than explosives? Pls also try to explain me how your communities would like to live like they were in 7th century. If so,why do you have mobile phones? Aren't the mobile phones products of infidels? Is not that haraam? If your sheria were perfect, why so many of yours wanna leave your homelands and leave for west? The best you could have had were the dictators of some kind.Pls try to fool me that your religous teachings are matching with democracy.

Your god ruled your prophet to marry as much as he could. Pls cite the spirit fullness in this verb. By the way, none of us miss the point that you took worst of Israiliat as the principles of your faith.

You are wrong here.
Islam has been re-formed under Ahmadiyya. Ladies in Ahmadiyya are by and large educated, there are many of them Doctors/Physicians working in USA and Canada.
Sorry, you are not update with Islam/Quran/Muhammad.
Regards

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

I just find it's funny..."funny" in the ironic way, not the ha-ha funny...that Muhammad presented all these rules to his disciples, and yet that he can change the rules whenever it suit him.

I'd guess that rules were made to be broken, especially if one is a Messenger or a prophet.

Muhammad break the laws that put them in sexual matters and marriage this verse from the Koran where Mohammed Guide to break laws
And **** them Giveaway
O Prophet! Verily Ohllna you wives who came wages and possessed right hand, which Allah has bestowed on you and daughters of your uncle and daughters Amatk and daughters of uncle and daughters Khalatk who have migrated with you and a woman locked that to devote herself to the Prophet if the Prophet wanted to Istnkhaa pure you without the faithful has taught us what we assume them in their spouses and their oaths possessed you to be the agent of God and was critical Forgiving, Most Merciful (50)).

 

[psychoslice]

I don't really know if Islam is a religion of terror, but what I have seen throughout the world lately, I have to think, it has to do something with Islam, whatever that is ?.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

You are wrong here.
Islam has been re-formed under Ahmadiyya. Ladies in Ahmadiyya are by and large educated, there are many of them Doctors/Physicians working in USA and Canada.
Sorry, you are not update with Islam/Quran/Muhammad.
Regards

Special your interpretation of the Koran is contrary to the texts of the Koran
Ahmadiyya new school arose 300 years ago, one of making Britain
That you want to moderate Islam
But Islam remains Johrkm to you at any moment of time you shall return to the teachings of the Koran
I think the Ahmadiyya are a form of dissimulation in Islam

 

[psychoslice]

When any religion thinks its the true religion, then problems always arise, the arrogance takes over the mind and all sorts of horror can come from that mind, be that Islam or however.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

I don't really know if Islam is a religion of terror, but what I have seen throughout the world lately, I have to think, it has to do something with Islam, whatever that is ?.

These novels of ancient books of Islam
It emphasizes that Muhammad was issued orders to kill his opponents
Mother Crvh
And Abuabo hakek Jew

 

[psychoslice]

These novels of ancient books of Islam
It emphasizes that Muhammad was issued orders to kill his opponents
Mother Crvh
And Abuabo hakek Jew

Yes, just like the old testament, these beliefs must be done with for the sake of the world, I feel that we have out grown these backward beliefs, well, I hope we have.

 

[MARCELLO]

You are wrong here.
Islam has been re-formed under Ahmadiyya. Ladies in Ahmadiyya are by and large educated, there are many of them Doctors/Physicians working in USA and Canada.
Sorry, you are not update with Islam/Quran/Muhammad.
Regards

Ohh, ahmeddiya,yes... It has nothing to do with the mainstream islamic teaching.

My friend, I have no problem with any muslims but have hugest problems with your radicals and extremists.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Islam may not be a religion of terror, yet it certainly seems to be a popular vehicle for it.

 

[Tomorrows_Child]

How has Obama "incited fear" specifically?

I guess the bombings of Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran and Pakistan incite happiness.

 

[Useless2015]

Ah, but you are missing my points of reply. It is not just about "freedom of religion"; it is also about the quotes you provided to lostwanderingsoul, that there are "no compulsion", according to the Qur'an.



My points also provided examples in which Muhammad himself contradict to the verses of "no compulsion".

(A) That he only spared Jews (Banu Qurayza) who not only surrendered after a siege, but converted to Islam, is a sign of compulsion or coercion.

(B) That (i) when Mecca surrendered to him after he marched into the town with a large army...compulsion.... (ii) and then began systematically destroying idols of other religion...more compulsion.

(C) But the destruction of idols didn't stop at Mecca. That Muhammad had his army campaigning into eastern Arabia, visiting town after town, destroying more idols, in places that never took side against him, is another sign of compulsion.​

His action went against the verses that stated "no compulsion". When his own actions contradict the verses, then the Qur'an is not law, but merely a guideline in which he can ignore at his whim.

And that's not only contradictions.

Muhammad's campaign into eastern and northern Arabia (630 - 632) is directly contradicting the verse 2:190, which is


By marching to towns that were never involved in the war between Muslims and Meccans, then Muhammad and his army were the aggressors.

When he fled to Medina, his followers were smaller in numbers, and he began raiding and looting merchant caravans:

(A) That's an act of banditry or piracy - armed robbery. When do merchant caravans equal to an army?
It doesn't. It was robbery.
What does the Qur'an really say about stealing?
The only way you can do what Muhammad and his merry band of bandits did, in 623 - 624, would be view them as soldiers instead of merchants, therefore justifying the caravan raids as act of war. Muhammad's action that contradict verse 2:190 can also apply here.
Raiding caravans for loots and slave trade are not an act of self defence.

(B) The verse 8:41, in which Muslims should only take one-fifth spoil didn't apply here, with these raids.​

Muhammad also contradict the 8:41, when he ordered the banishment of Banu Qaynupa from Medina in 624, taking all their properties, ignoring the one-fifth rule. Muhammad's original idea was executing them, not expelling them; he was persuaded against mass executions by the Khazraj chieftain.

All these acts are that of aggressors. There is nothing defensive about the raids or the expulsion of the Qaynupa.

Oh no i didn't miss a thing, i already am aware of these. These clans were working together with the Meccans to attack the muslims. By doing that the treaty is no longer valid. They were not attacked or expelled because they were Jewish but because of breaking the treaty between the muslims and them.





“If thou fearest treachery from any group, throw back (their Covenant) to them, (so as to be) on equal terms: for Allah loveth not the treacherous!”