islam vs Judaism

[Toxikmynd]

I understand how similar these two are, but what is the major differences and the actual debate is, how is one right and the other wrong? What about the fact that the Torah speaks of the contract being cancelled? Or that Islam practices idolatry because they basically worship the Kaaba?

 

[rosends]

The two are different on a variety of levels. They have different views of the Torah text in its current form, and therefore all the historical and theological consequences are different. They have different views on the utility of the gospels and the position of Jesus historically and religiously. There are divergent practices which, though they might occasionally overlap, are often at odds. However, they seem to be very similar to each other in their vision of monotheism.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

edit: Points-->What Rosend said

In general, neither of them or right or wrong. Right/wrong is only based on yourself morals and beliefs. Morals aren't universal.

I understand how similar these two are, but what is the major differences and the actual debate is, how is one right and the other wrong? What about the fact that the Torah speaks of the contract being cancelled? Or that Islam practices idolatry because they basically worship the Kaabla?

Which contract do you mean? Covenant?

Also, far as I know, Muslims worship only Allah.

Unlike fundamental Christianity, Judaism, Islam, and Catholicism have sacraments or sacred traditions, places, and/or things they hold in high regard in addition to the Bible. The reverence for the Torah, Kaaba, and Eucharist doesn't make the believers worshipers of any of these. They are sacred in themselves; and, have very great importance in the believers lives--and they are not the person being worshiped. All three religions worship God; and Christian's worship God through Christ, and Christ only. I don't see idolatry in this: to your thread theme, specifically in Judaism and Muslim faith.

 

[metis]

Generally speaking, most religious beliefs are unfalsifiable, therefore no one can establish which religion is right or wrong.

 

[outhouse]

how is one right and the other wrong?

Individual perception.

I understand how similar these two are

That might be your first mistake.


One tends to require much more fanaticism and fundamentalism then the other.

 

[Toxikmynd]

See, the way I look at it is, they work in a strange way. Its sort of how the Torah/Tanakh provides info on how Jesus cannot be the Messiah, I agree with those points, even as I wear a cross (Funeral today, she was Catholic and truthfully, I think crosses are sort of beautiful in a morbid way...). Some people argue that Muhammed was a false prophet and some claim that if he were a true prophet god would have protected him, apparently from being poisoned? (Is that actually how he died?) What is everyone elses view on that argument?

 

[gsa]

See, the way I look at it is, they work in a strange way. Its sort of how the Torah/Tanakh provides info on how Jesus cannot be the Messiah, I agree with those points, even as I wear a cross (Funeral today, she was Catholic and truthfully, I think crosses are sort of beautiful in a morbid way...). Some people argue that Muhammed was a false prophet and some claim that if he were a true prophet god would have protected him, apparently from being poisoned? (Is that actually how he died?) What is everyone elses view on that argument?

Well if you accept that the Jews are right about Jesus not being the messiah, then you pretty much have to toss out Islam as well, since the Quran also identifies him as the Jewish messiah.

My personal view is that they are all wrong. Which is to say, there has not been nor will there be a messiah, and there were no prophets, nor will there be prophets.

 

[Tumah]

I understand how similar these two are, but what is the major differences and the actual debate is, how is one right and the other wrong? What about the fact that the Torah speaks of the contract being cancelled? Or that Islam practices idolatry because they basically worship the Kaabla?

How similar are these two? As far as I know, the similarities are superficial at best. The only major one I know is belief in the same G-d.
According to Jewish Law Islam doesn't practice idolatry. Only Christianity does (of the three I mean). What other similarities are there?

 

[Harmonious]

How similar are these two? As far as I know, the similarities are superficial at best. The only major one I know is belief in the same G-d.
According to Jewish Law Islam doesn't practice idolatry. Only Christianity does (of the three I mean). What other similarities are there?

They have a formalized prayer a number of times a day, including the recitation of the Oneness of God. The women are usually separated in prayer from the men, although the partition isn't necessarily as obvious.

They have strict dietary regulations.

They have a similar concept of Tuma v'Tahara. (It's not the same, but the words are similar enough, as they address a very similar concept.) It especially concerns women during the time of the month.

There is a general understanding that God is not corporeal, never was, never will be, and never will be "begotten."

Strict observance usually involves particularly modest modes of dress, for both men and women (however, women's modesty can be more dramatic).

Besides scripture, there is exegesis which describes stories and outlines details of law that isn't immediately obvious in the text of scripture.

The concept of a directional focus of prayer is similar, though the location is different.

There are more, but that is a good start.

 

[Union]

I understand how similar these two are, but what is the major differences and the actual debate is, how is one right and the other wrong? What about the fact that the Torah speaks of the contract being cancelled? Or that Islam practices idolatry because they basically worship the Kaabla?

Worshiping Kababla? What does that mean ?

 

[Union]

See, the way I look at it is, they work in a strange way. Its sort of how the Torah/Tanakh provides info on how Jesus cannot be the Messiah, I agree with those points, even as I wear a cross (Funeral today, she was Catholic and truthfully, I think crosses are sort of beautiful in a morbid way...). Some people argue that Muhammed was a false prophet and some claim that if he were a true prophet god would have protected him, apparently from being poisoned? (Is that actually how he died?) What is everyone elses view on that argument?

Qur'an never hinted about this poison story which were created +200 years after the death of the Prophet ...

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

The jews tried to kill some prophets and in others they succeeded in killing them(Allah swt decreed martyrdom for prophet Yahya/John pbuh and many others). They are people of desires and arrogance(it was arrogance that made them reject prophet Muhammad pbuh because of " how can we follow arab prophet?"). We believe they broke the covenant with Allah swt by rejecting his prophets(Jesus pbuh, John pbuh and many others).

Whoever disbelieves in one prophet, it is as if he disbelieved in all prophets.

@Toxikmynd muslims dont worship kabah. Kabah is just direction of prayer. We dont say the kabah can forgive our sins, that kabah can benefit us or damage us.



Question:

What is the rebuttal to the Malaahidah (atheists) who say: You O Muslims worship a stone and circumambulate around it! So how can you reproach others from worship of idols and statues/images?
Answer:

This is an evident lie, we do not worship the [black] stone but rather we touch it and kiss it - the same as the Messenger of Allaah SallAllahu 'alayhi wasallam did - in worship of Allaah and in emulating the Messenger of Allaah SallAllahu 'alayhi wasallam. The [Black] Stone is from the signs of Allaah similar to when we stand in 'Arafah, similar to when we stay in Muzdalifah and similar to when we circumambulate around the House (the Ka'bah). Likewise we kiss the Black Stone and touch it or gesture towards it because it is from the signs of Allaah. Hence our kissing it or touching it or signalling towards it is in worship of Allaah not the stone. Furthermore, for this reason when 'Umar ibn al-Khattab radhiallaah 'anhu kissed the [black] stone he said:
"Indeed I know that you are but a stone you neither benefit nor harm, and if it was not that I saw the Messenger of Allaah SallAllahu 'alayhi wasallam kiss you I would not have kissed you."

[Reported by al-Bukhaaree (1597), and Muslim (1270)]

 

[metis]

The jews tried to kill some prophets and in others they succeeded in killing them(Allah swt decreed martyrdom for prophet Yahya/John pbuh and many others). They are people of desires and arrogance(it was arrogance that made them reject prophet Muhammad pbuh because of " how can we follow arab prophet?"). We believe they broke the covenant with Allah swt by rejecting his prophets(Jesus pbuh, John pbuh and many others).

Whoever disbelieves in one prophet, it is as if he disbelieved in all prophets.

@Toxikmynd muslims dont worship kabah. Kabah is just direction of prayer. We dont say the kabah can forgive our sins, that kabah can benefit us or damage us.



Question:

What is the rebuttal to the Malaahidah (atheists) who say: You O Muslims worship a stone and circumambulate around it! So how can you reproach others from worship of idols and statues/images?
Answer:

This is an evident lie, we do not worship the [black] stone but rather we touch it and kiss it - the same as the Messenger of Allaah SallAllahu 'alayhi wasallam did - in worship of Allaah and in emulating the Messenger of Allaah SallAllahu 'alayhi wasallam. The [Black] Stone is from the signs of Allaah similar to when we stand in 'Arafah, similar to when we stay in Muzdalifah and similar to when we circumambulate around the House (the Ka'bah). Likewise we kiss the Black Stone and touch it or gesture towards it because it is from the signs of Allaah. Hence our kissing it or touching it or signalling towards it is in worship of Allaah not the stone. Furthermore, for this reason when 'Umar ibn al-Khattab radhiallaah 'anhu kissed the [black] stone he said:
"Indeed I know that you are but a stone you neither benefit nor harm, and if it was not that I saw the Messenger of Allaah SallAllahu 'alayhi wasallam kiss you I would not have kissed you."

[Reported by al-Bukhaaree (1597), and Muslim (1270)]

Gee, I wonder how many have been killed in the name of "Allah"?

According to the Talmud, we Jews cannot conduct offensive wars without a prophet to direct us to do so, but the prophetic age ended roughly 2300 years ago. OTOH, Muslims have been killing Muslims and many others almost continually, including in today's world.

So, there is quite a difference between us: we kill only reluctantly and in self-defense, whereas you kill almost continuously and often in offense.

 

[gsa]

How similar are these two? As far as I know, the similarities are superficial at best. The only major one I know is belief in the same G-d.
According to Jewish Law Islam doesn't practice idolatry. Only Christianity does (of the three I mean). What other similarities are there?

Most Christians would find it offensive to suggest that they practice idolatry. Particularly Protestant Christians who reject the use of images in worship. Moreover, and I am not sure where Islam and Judaism fall on this question, idolatry encompasses more than graven images in Christian theology. It includes reverence for the state, ancestors, race, money, power, etcetera.

But this does hit on a common criticism of Christianity in both Islam and Judaism: That it is prohibited idolatry/polytheism, or at least ****uf/shirk (in the sense of associating partners with the "one true God."). That's another thing that they have in common.

 

[metis]

Most Christians would find it offensive to suggest that they practice idolatry. Particularly Protestant Christians who reject the use of images in worship. Moreover, and I am not sure where Islam and Judaism fall on this question, idolatry encompasses more than graven images in Christian theology. It includes reverence for the state, ancestors, race, money, power, etcetera.

But this does hit on a common criticism of Christianity in both Islam and Judaism: That it is prohibited idolatry/polytheism, or at least ****uf/shirk (in the sense of associating partners with the "one true God."). That's another thing that they have in common.

Both Judaism and Islam prohibit statues of people or animals, and some in each prohibit even having two-dimensional depictions of either.

 

[gsa]

Both Judaism and Islam prohibit statues of people or animals, and some in each prohibit even having two-dimensional depictions of either.

This is probably one of the reasons the Catholic Church won't let animals get into heaven. If they did, you might have animal saints, which would mean veneration of monkeys, sheep, etc. ;-)

 

[metis]

This is probably one of the reasons the Catholic Church won't let animals get into heaven. If they did, you might have animal saints, which would mean veneration of monkeys, sheep, etc. ;-)

But what would the Greeks do if there's no sheep in heaven?

 

[gsa]

But what would the Greeks do if there's no sheep in heaven?

Presumably there are young men.

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

But what would the Greeks do if there's no sheep in heaven?

Presumably there are young men.

C'mon guys, what did the Greeks do now?

 

[Tumah]

Most Christians would find it offensive to suggest that they practice idolatry. Particularly Protestant Christians who reject the use of images in worship. Moreover, and I am not sure where Islam and Judaism fall on this question, idolatry encompasses more than graven images in Christian theology. It includes reverence for the state, ancestors, race, money, power, etcetera.

Considering that Christianity is based on the presupposition that the Jews are doing it wrong, I'm not entirely adverse to calling them out either.

But this does hit on a common criticism of Christianity in both Islam and Judaism: That it is prohibited idolatry/polytheism, or at least ****uf/shirk (in the sense of associating partners with the "one true God."). That's another thing that they have in common.

Well, I would call that part of belief about G-d's being. That seems to me the only really significant similarity (ie. that we share the same belief about G-d's being in general as opposed to what He may have said.)