islam vs Judaism

[Toxikmynd]

Explain?

 

[Tumah]

No the pantheon was correlated with the Greek one over a long period of time, and certain Hellenistic practices were adopted along the way, while other Italic or Etruscan ones were maintained by Romans. By nature they are more diverse than monotheists, in any event.

I realize that to a practitioner of those religions, the label of Abrahamic monotheism doesn't seem to convey much, given the significant perceived differences...again, for believers. For outsiders (and outside critics), the similarities are clear enough. They also all affirm the existence of "one God," even if that one God is trinitarian in Christian circles (mystical trends in both Judaism and Islam show that the divine unity of the monotheistic religions should always have an asterisk in any event). The traditional variations affirm an inspired or inerrant scripture that contains the teachings of the prophets concerning appropriate ritual, law, worship, theology, etcetera. There are common mythological elements; the overlap between Christianity and Judaism is scriptural, while Islam borrows characters and events (i.e., Abraham, the destruction of Sodom) in a reformatted story. As far as social practices go, all three are violently homophobic, which reflects a certain understanding of gender roles, among other things. They are also extremely hostile to polytheism and apostasy.

So yes, I agree that to believers, there are significant differences. From the vantage point of an outsider, however, particularly one who rejects them, they share so many features that grouping them together is appropriate.

Basically what you are saying is that because they are more similar to each other than to other religions, they should be grouped together.
I don't think that this necessarily means that they are actually similar, but I can agree to that.
Also, I have heard people claim that the esoteric aspects of Judaism take a step towards polytheism, but this claim is based on lack of knowledge.

 

[Tumah]

All three are guilty of idolatry specifically, in the form of autolatry.

Ok.

 

[psychoslice]

If I had my way I would smack their heads together hoping to make then realize how ridiculers they are.

 

[DawudTalut]

I understand how similar these two are, but what is the major differences

Peace be on you.
Quote from https://www.alislam.org/library/books/ReligiousEvolution.pdf
THE ESSENTIAL BELIEFS OF JUDAISM Although there are many beliefs in Judaism, the following 13 articles of faith are considered essential:
1. God
2. There is only one God
3. The non-corporal nature of God
4. God is the First and Last
5. God is All-knowing, All-Seeing and the Lord
6. Prayers should only be directed to God
7. God rewards good and punishes bad deeds
8. The words of the prophets are true
9. Moses is the chief of all prophets
10. The present Torah is the same as revealed to Moses
11. The Law of Torah is the last Law from God
12. The coming of the Messiah
13. The belief in the Resurrection (life after death)

The central belief expressed in the Hebrew Bible concerns the Unity and love of God. This is evident from the Hebrew declaration of faith, the Shemah,8 which could be considered equivalent to the Islamic kalima (proclamation of faith):

"Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is One. And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, And with all your soul and with all your might And these words which I command you shall be upon your heart"
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The Hebrew Bible contains hundreds of codes and directives for the Israelites by which to conduct their spiritual and worldly affairs. Of these, the famous Ten Commandments7 are summarized below:
1. You shall have no other gods besides Me
2. You shall not make any image or likeness of anything in heaven above
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord in vain
4. Remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy
5. Honor your father and your mother
6. You shall not commit murder
7. You shall not commit adultery
8. You shall not steal 9. You shall not bear false witness
10. You shall not covet anything that is your neighbor's

Some additional directives, besides the Ten Commandments, are:
• You shall not oppress your neighbor
• You shall do no injustice in weight or in measure
• You shall seek no vengeance
• Open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor
• You shall not curse the deaf or put a stumbling block before the blind
• You shall do no injustice in judgement; you shall not be partial toward the poor, nor favor the mighty
• You shall not wrong the stranger. The stranger among you shall be as the homeborn among you, and you shall love him as yourself

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WORSHIP IN JUDAISM
THE PRAYER
MEZUZAH
FEAST OF PASSOVER
OBSERVING OF SABBATH
KOSHER FOODS

More wwwDOTalislamDOTorg/library/books/ReligiousEvolution.pdf
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ISLAMIC BELIEFS
Basically, Islamic teachings can be divided into two broad categories, namely belief (Iman) and practice (Amal). The former deals with the philosophy of Islam while the latter deals with its practical implementation. The beliefs in Islam are not based on superstition or irrational conviction. They are presented in the Holy Quran in a systematic way and are supported by logical arguments. In Islam a belief must make sense to the believer; otherwise it becomes a dogma or a superstition. There are many beliefs in Islam but the five important Articles of Faith are given below:

1. Belief in God
2. Belief in the Angels
3. Belief in the Prophets
4. Belief in the Revealed Books
5. Belief in the Day of Judgment

The above Articles of Faith are explained.....
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OTHER IMPORTANT MUSLIM BELIEFS
In addition to the five fundamental beliefs, there are many other beliefs, which are also important in Islam. Some of these are mentioned here:
• Taqdir or Divine Decree, controls the eventual outcome of all actions in this universe. However, Muslims are required to strive and pray for the desired outcome. God can, out of His infinite mercy and compassion, change the decreed outcome.
• Every person is born innocent and free from sin. Sin is a conscious breach of God's commandments.
• God always sends His guidance and warning through his prophets before inflicting His punishment on people.
• Faith is not meaningful if it is followed blindly, without reasoning or understanding. A person should use his powers of reasoning and reflect upon God's teachings.
• Every person is responsible for his own deeds and that no one carries the burden of another. On the Day of Judgment, no intercession will be accepted on behalf of another and each soul will be rewarded according to what it had earned.
• God sent all prophets and that no distinction should be made among them in this respect.

ISLAMIC ACTS OF WORSHIP
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1. Declaration of Faith
2. Prayer
3. Fasting
4. Zakat
5. Pilgrimage

and the actual debate is, how is one right and the other wrong?

Both are right in their scope. From Islam's point of view, Judaism was the faith of its time for Hazrat Moses (on whom be peace) and his followers.

Now those who practice its preserved part of teaching get light, but they need to move on for next teaching i.e. Islam.

Holy Quran
[ch2:v63] Surely, the Believers, and the Jews, and the Christians and the Sabians — whichever party from among these truly believes in Allah and the Last Day and does good deeds — shall have their reward with their Lord, and no fear shall come upon them, nor shall they grieve.

What about the fact that the Torah speaks of the contract being cancelled?

THE COVENANT AND COMMENTARY
HOLY QURAN
[2:41] O children of Israel! remember My favour which I bestowed upon you, and fulfil your covenant with Me, I will fulfil My covenant with you, and Me alone should you fear.

Short Commentary note 76 @ The Holy Quran
wwwDOTalislamDOTorg/quran/tafseer/?page=28&region=EN&CR=E1,E2&CR=E1,E2


Large Commentary note 47 @ The Holy Quran
wwwDOTalislamDOTorg/quran/tafseer/?page=90&region=E1&CR=EN,E2&CR=EN,E2

Or that Islam practices idolatry because they basically worship the Kaabla?

By Kaabla , you meant Qiblah which is Ka'aba or Kaba

EXPLANATION ABOUT BLACK STONE AND KABA; BY AHMADIYYA MUSLIM PROMISED MESSIAH MAHDI (ON WHOM BE PEACE)
1= Black stone is there to show as model for a spiritual matter. In Islam, Allah has placed models for important commandments. For example, it is commanded that a believer should offer his or her sacrifice through their self and faculties. And physical sacrifice of animal is token model for this philosophy. Blood and meat of animal do not reach to Allah but only the righteousness of heart reaches;..Meaning that a believer should live life as if his or her low self-desires are sacrificed by their own hands. They live according to guidance of God.


2= Parallel to spiritual matters, Allah makes physical matters as model. Kaba is made for that purpose. According to Holy Quran, human is made for worship of God. [it is vast subject: worship indicate recognition, love, fear of losing Him, obedience, paying His and His creation's right, successful life and Hereafter, meeting Lord ]

Worship is of two types:

i-Through humbleness.

ii-Through love and sacrifice.



Explanation:
i- Five daily Islamic Salaat is the worship, in which body stands, bow and prostrate as physical model of the states of soul. Body and soul both offer Salaat. There are prayers in each of these action. In prostration, heart do fall prostrate before Lord. Body and soul affect each other in prayer.



ii- In the second kind of worship through love and sacrifice, body and soul affect each other too. In love, human soul always revolves around beloved and kiss beloved's place. Similarly, Kaba is physical model for true lovers so that they show their enthusiasm of love. People at Hajj make circuits around kaba in love, they remove their beauties and shave heads, and kiss the black stone as the stone of beloved's place. This physical fire of love creates heat in spiritual love and soul revolve around the Beloved and metaphorically kisses His station.


There is no idol-worship in it. One kisses one's friend's letter too. No Muslim worship Kaba and do not seek anything from blackstone. This is physical model decalred by God Himself. We do sajdah (islamic prostration) at earth but we do not worship earth. We kiss blackstone but not for balckstone. Stone is stone it cannot benefit or hurt to anyone. It is Hand of the beloved which pointed that this stone is model of His station.


[Reference: Based of writings of Ahmadiyya Muslim Promised Messiah and Mahdi (on whom be peace) be peace), Ruhani Khazain, vol 23]

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Good wishes.

 

[Smart_Guy]

Um, by "Kaabla" do you mean "Kaaba", the cubic structure in Makkah?

I'm Muslim and I do direct my prayers to Kaaba, but I do that because God told me to, and I do it with the intention of worshiping God. All He said, worship wise, was to make it my direction.

 

[Godobeyer]

Torah does not describe G-D as human, and you have meca and kaaba, we have Jerusalem and temple mount (har moriya). You seem to be confused about Judaism, Im not sure if its because you never read about judaism or some local imam brainwashed you. Educate your self, islam originated from judaism so anything that islam has, jews have it better.

26 ¶ And God said, Let us make man in our image
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27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Adam hear the voice of God walking , so God had feet made voice while walking , is not ?

8 And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.

Torah describe God as stupid personality by his TOTAL ignornce by testing : " God creat , then find it good ,God creat then find it good .....etc ".

no Imam tell me this, i find it in Torah , it's avaible in English ,btw I did not analyse whole Torah , just first pages .

 

[Flankerl]

26 ¶ And God said, Let us make man in our image
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27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

"What is figure of speech?"
Also you do realise that people all around the world look differently right?

Adam hear the voice of God walking , so God had feet made voice while walking , is not ?

8 And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.

How do voices walk?

It's almost as if its not meant in a literal way of "walking".

Torah describe God as stupid personality by his TOTAL ignornce by testing : " God creat , then find it good ,God creat then find it good .....etc ".

That's not what it says.
The first chapter has 31 Verses with around 800 words and out of these 800 words 7 are "good".

But then of course I know who I am talking to...

no Imam tell me this, i find it in Torah , it's avaible in English ,btw I did not analyse whole Torah , just first pages .

Well it's good that you didn't read the entire book considering how you "understand" the first chapter.

 

[metis]

Torah describe God as stupid personality by his TOTAL ignornce by testing : " God creat , then find it good ,God creat then find it good .....etc ".

The use of "good" in this context probably was used to counter some of the neighboring religions, especially the Ba'als, who believed that good deities created good and bad deities created bad. IOW, they believed that the world consisted of both good and bad creations. Judaism does not take that viewpoint, believing that all creation essentially was good, but bad is allowed through our free-will whereas we're not puppets.

 

[Toxikmynd]

@Smart_Guy Yes, it was a typo that I didn't even notice until you mentioned it! Sorry to the muslims!

 

[Smart_Guy]

Hey don't worry about it bro, things happen and it wasn't offensive

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

Islam originated from Judaism so a lot of similarities will exist


More of muslim bs claiming that Jews killed prophets, the only religion that kills in the name of G-D right now is islam so take your replacement theology and.... really deep.

The denial again!

 

[Godobeyer]

"What is figure of speech?"
Also you do realise that people all around the world look differently right?




How do voices walk?

It's almost as if its not meant in a literal way of "walking".




That's not what it says.
The first chapter has 31 Verses with around 800 words and out of these 800 words 7 are "good".

But then of course I know who I am talking to...




Well it's good that you didn't read the entire book considering how you "understand" the first chapter.

I said Torah describe God as Human , i post the scriptures from Torah said " God creat human as his Image"

the second Scripture is talking about Adam and Eve heard "sound" of walking of God in heaven !!!

 

[Flankerl]

I said Torah describe God as Human , i post the scriptures from Torah said " God creat human as his Image"

the second Scripture is talking about Adam and Eve heard "sound" of walking of God in heaven !!!

So there is no figure of speech in your reality. Good for you.

And again the verse you quoted speaks about a voice walking around. Not my fault if you can't understand English.

 

[Toxikmynd]

The denial again!

I don't understand where you're finding denial? That's the issue, you believe Islam was the first and original religion and you instantaniously label anything and everything as false and untrue, how do you find truth in anything when everything but the Qur'an's teachings is false?

 

[Juhurka]

26 ¶ And God said, Let us make man in our image
.
.
.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Adam hear the voice of God walking , so God had feet made voice while walking , is not ?

8 And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.

Torah describe God as stupid personality by his TOTAL ignornce by testing : " God creat , then find it good ,God creat then find it good .....etc ".

no Imam tell me this, i find it in Torah , it's avaible in English ,btw I did not analyse whole Torah , just first pages .

Im sorry but I have to admit, you dont really have any capability to think, no wonder Islam is being taken so seriously to a point where someone can just blow him self up and think he will get 72 virgins in heaven. I would suggest to quote the original hebrew text where it says that. How else do you expect G-D to talk to people if not in human language?

I also understand what you are hinting at but never forget that it was Jews who showed the idol worshiping arab tribes what it is to believe in One G-D. If not for the Jews you people would still be worshiping rocks and dancing around them like primitives. Jewish culture is very ancient with a lot of ideas that would make any Jew proud so we do not need or interested in having muslims stick their noses in to our business. Look in to your backyard first, its full of garbage including your religion.

 

[Juhurka]

The denial again!

I stated facts but you refused to address them so who is in denial here? Judaism does not need Islam to justify it self. It is Christianity and Islam that needs Judaism to justify them self's. You can get upset about it or you can bang your head in shame or even blow your self up in despair but that will not change the facts.

 

[Sleeppy]

I said Torah describe God as Human , i post the scriptures from Torah said " God creat human as his Image"

the second Scripture is talking about Adam and Eve heard "sound" of walking of God in heaven !!!

The Quran follows suit.. Says Allah has hands, a face, emotions, etc.

 

[Godobeyer]

The Quran follows suit.. Says Allah has hands, a face, emotions, etc.

But Quran never said God creat human in his image .

Quran said too , hand or face of God is not the same of hand of human .

 

[Godobeyer]

So there is no figure of speech in your reality. Good for you.

And again the verse you quoted speaks about a voice walking around. Not my fault if you can't understand English.

Forget my English , because i know that you understand my point .

YES i understand it as voice of walking (of God) around , so God walking had voice . so He had feet ?