islam vs Judaism

[Godobeyer]

Genesis 1:26
And God said: 'Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.'

If you read for example the account of the burning bush, what image did God take? Or during the Hebrews walk through the desert, being accompanied by a pillar of smoke by day, and a pillar of fire by night- what image did God take?

God is not owned, but instead owns all of reality. God cannot be fully seen, heard, smelled, tasted, or touched. Instead, God is only partially understood. Whenever you see anything, you are seeing God's likeness. Whenever you hear anything, you are hearing God's likeness. Whenever you smell anything, you are smelling God's likeness. Whenever you taste anything, you are indeed tasting God's likeness. And whenever you touch anything, you are touching God's likeness. Whenever you experience anything, you are experiencing God's likeness.

So while the Torah, and the Quran, speak metaphorically of God, their descriptions do not fully contain God. Nothing can fully contain God. It is not adequate to say that God has hands, because He owns every hand there is. It is not adequate to say that God has a face, because He owns every face that there is. Moses is not able to confine God, nor is Muhammad, nor Jesus. There is nothing you or anyone else can say, or think about God that describes His entirety. -- And so, you are not able to judge anyone without judging yourself.

Very cool describe for God ,brother .

 

[metis]

Another difference is that Jews place too much emphasis on the letter of the Law overlooking the spirit.

Christians on the other extreme place too much emphasis on the spirit of Law overlooking completely the letter.

Islam I believe takes the middle path and places the right importance on both.

That is a mythological stereotype of Judaism and Islam, as one will find mixtures of people and approaches in both.

 

[Pastek]

Also, I was pretty sure that the Muslim people saw Jesus as just another prophet, not the Messiah, but I guess I could be wrong..

It was said many times in the Quran that Jesus is the Messiah. We don't have another Messiah except him.

Also, even though some may say they don't claim the Kaaba to be able to forgive sins or anything, you pray towards it, dance around it and even some try to kiss the rock on the inside because they believe it to be good luck, seems SLIGHTLY Idolatrous to me.

You really made me laught when you said that we "dance" around the Kaaba

Obviously we don't dance but we circumambulate around the Kaaba : "During the Hajj and Umrah, Muslims are to circumambulate the Kaaba seven times, in a counter-clockwise direction. The circling is believed to demonstrate the unity of the believers in the worship of the One God, as they move in harmony together around the Kaaba, while supplicating to Allah."

Circumambulation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Just to be clear :

1- The Kaaba ("cube" in arabic) is a good direction ("Qibla" in arabic) to pray.
I think you mixed the 2 words, so no it's not "kabla"

2- Muslims don't pray the Kaaba. It would be like saying jews pray the Wailling wall.
As Solomon built a Temple for God in Jerusalem, Abraham & Ismael built a Temple for God (Beit Allah) in Mecca (the Kaaba).
So nobody is praying a stone, a cube or a wall, it's just places/directions for praying God.

3-No muslim think a stone will erase sins or gives luck as God strictly forbides this kind of beliefs. God creates everything so the creation can't do anything, we don't pray give a power to anything and anybody in Islam except to God.

 

[Toxikmynd]

I'm just going to stop asking about Islam, I used to really like it, but after being on this forum, it's more of just neutral with me. Lmao

 

[Tumah]

Seriously educate yourself on what figure of speech means.

Its not worth debating with the Muslims here. The ones that debate religion don't seem to speak English very well and they don't recognize a progression of development that is the give and take of debate.

"You believe this"
"No, I don't if you x,y,z, you will see this is not true"
"No, you believe this."

"Your book says this"
"No, if you x,y,z, you will see that can't mean what you think it means"
"No, this is what your book says."

As far as I can tell, the only reason they are here on RF is to post information about Islam.

 

[Smart_Guy]

I'm just going to stop asking about Islam, I used to really like it, but after being on this forum, it's more of just neutral with me. Lmao

I know how you feel, and I can't really blame you. But please give us Muslims a chance. For some reason the majority of Muslims here on RF can't speak English very well, and I mean the right choice of words, and how to interact with people from different cultures.

As far as I can tell, the only reason they are here on RF is to post information about Islam.

I'm here to have fun and make friends actually

I just can't hold back on answering some questions I pass by.

 

[Tumah]

I know how you feel, and I can't really blame you. But please give us Muslims a chance. For some reason the majority of Muslims here on RF can't speak English very well, and I mean the right choice of words, and how to interact with people from different cultures.



I'm here to have fun and make friends actually

I just can't hold back on answering some questions I pass by.

No, in all seriousness anything I say about Muslims should automatically be understood to mean, with the exception of Smart_Guy. I've always found interaction with you to be pleasant and even though you generally refrain from debate, you seem to have a degree of understanding that for some reasons your brothers who actually do debate here haven't yet acquired. Even if you're the most religious Muslim out there, I have nothing but respect for you.

 

[Smart_Guy]

No, in all seriousness anything I say about Muslims should automatically be understood to mean, with the exception of Smart_Guy. I've always found interaction with you to be pleasant and even though you generally refrain from debate, you seem to have a degree of understanding that for some reasons your brothers who actually do debate here haven't yet acquired. Even if you're the most religious Muslim out there, I have nothing but respect for you.

This means a lot to me man. One day Muslims will understand non Muslims better.

 

[Toxikmynd]

I agree with Tumah, I have a lot of respect for you, I mean, I respect everyone on this forum, but most of the muslims don't even read through the other messages and just go ahead and make their own answers up. Like I already explained that I typed kaabla by accident, don't bring it up anymore. Lmao

 

[Juhurka]

obviously "it's not meant it in His likeness", actualy , it's confirmed it , by saying "in his image"

then voice of walking God , is not seems literally because actions .

G-D created man in his image does not mean that he has hands and feet. It means that G-D gave humans the ability to recognize good and evil and to do good but that part is left out of Islam and the actions of Muslims today prove that they don't know what is good and what is evil, they just bang their heads against the floor and then go and kill people thinking that makes them holly.

That what happens when you have an illiterate man going around preaching stories he never rad but just herd from people. Islam is basically poor version of Judaism. As for questioning Jewish belief in One G-D shows the stupidity of the muslim world. The jealousy of the Jews that muslims have goes beyond any rational thinking. Jews don't really care what mislims think about Judaism.

 

[Abu-Faris]

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[Abu-Faris]

See, the way I look at it is, they work in a strange way. Its sort of how the Torah/Tanakh provides info on how Jesus cannot be the Messiah, I agree with those points, even as I wear a cross (Funeral today, she was Catholic and truthfully, I think crosses are sort of beautiful in a morbid way...). Some people argue that Muhammed was a false prophet and some claim that if he were a true prophet god would have protected him, apparently from being poisoned? (Is that actually how he died?) What is everyone elses view on that argument?

I have heard of the opinion that the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of God be upon him) died of poison. I don't know of its authenticity but putting that aside let's consider it for sake of argument.

First look at the context of what happened. Some meat was presented as a gift to Gods Messenger, him and one of his companions both ate a piece of the meat. The companion died on that same day. The Prophet lived on till his mission was completed, till Islam was firmly established in the land, till the Kaaba had been purified of idolatry, till the religion and revelation was completed. Then the Prophet Muhammad became ill and its narrated in his final days he said that he is feeling the effects of that poison. Peace and blessings of God be upon him.

So looking at the full story paints a different picture of what happened. The same poison that killed one man almost immediately did not affect the Prophet till years later.

You asked why would God let a Prophet be killed. In Islam being killed for your beliefs makes one a martyr which is an honour and a lofty position for a believer.
Even before the Prophet Muhammad other Prophets had also been martyred such as the Prophet Yahya (John the Baptist) peace be upon them all.

In the Quran, God describes the Straight Path as the path of the Prophets, the Truthful, the Martyrs and the Pious. So if one was to take that opinion then the Prophet Muhammad is honoured with every single one of those.

 

[Smart_Guy]

I agree with Tumah, I have a lot of respect for you, I mean, I respect everyone on this forum, but most of the muslims don't even read through the other messages and just go ahead and make their own answers up. Like I already explained that I typed kaabla by accident, don't bring it up anymore. Lmao

Man you are cool

If I may be so bold to ask of you to find it in your heart to let it slip and give her a chance. Pastek, as I know of her, is a nice lady. She could have been trying to put some sense of humor and friendlyness in her style. "Kabla" sounds kinda funny, i a friendly way, because it sounds similar to a funny, again in a friendly way, Arabic word. She's Moroccan and maybe they have their special cultural difference in social interactions (I'm Saudi so I'm not really sure myself. I had this problem with the Westerns before and thought they were using the passive aggressive approach against my posts, but with time I learned what they actually have in mind. I'm an Arab myself, so I had to learn it the hard way and I know how it felt.

 

[Harmonious]

Smart_Guy, it might amuse you to know that a couple of years ago, I participated in an interesting thread. The thrust of the thread was to ask Muslim women why they covered their hair. Since it was a "free for all" thread as opposed to a DIR, I answered the question, as the reasoning of Muslims isn't all that different than Orthodox Jews. (Many Orthodox Jewish women cover their hair when they are married.) The Muslim women in the thread appreciated my answers, as I gave the answers they knew and understood, but had trouble articulating.

I'll see if I can find it, if you like.

 

[Smart_Guy]

Thank you for the heads up, ma'am

I can search for that thread with the hints you gave above. You're too kind

 

[Harmonious]

Thank you for the heads up, ma'am

I can search for that thread with the hints you gave above. You're too kind

I found it. How can a Muslim woman consider it Honorable to wear the headscarf?

 

[Smart_Guy]

Got it. Thank you, ma'am