Islam vs western values

[Father Heathen]

yeah corona vaccine was made by a muslim

Who was educated by and lives in western society.

Also, you're communicating with us in a western language via western technology.

 

[dybmh]

you should have taken a sign in the contract paper from him

Oh, there's a contract. I protected myself. But that's not the issue. They're trying to break the contract. They could have come to me and talked about it. But instead they immediately went to a lawyer. Now my lawyer is fighting with their lawyer. I have to pay for that. We could have worked something out if they had come to me to discuss it. But now, my lawyer is saying, "have no conversations with them, it could be used against me" It's a mess. It's a huge mess.

 

[Father Heathen]

ask any muslim on street of the non western world and they would say that lgbtq are not acceptable and slavery is good

Then let's get you shackled up and sold off. I would bid 5 dollars. Anything more would be a rip-off.

Any system that condones slavery is trash, and I would defecate upon the grave of its founder.

 

[dybmh]

Hollow and empty words with no depth or substance. All religions believe themselves to be infallible and perennial, but such beliefs only have value to those who hold them.

As usual Judaism is an exception. It considers itself both infallible and fallible simultaneously. There is an immutable divine law, but human judges interpret it and apply it differently as needed in each time and place.

 

[loverofhumanity]

It isn't what what people believe in any epoch. It is what the word says. Understanding words from God's Holy Spirit is a bottomless pit that has no end. I would hope that our understanding isn't the same as when they were killing people "in the name of Christ". I wouldn't want to go back to the "Crusades" thinking. So... yes, I am thankful that we don't believe the same as before and have gone back to what Jesus and the Apostles said and wrote.

I also would hope that Muslims are changing their thinking and not blowing each other up with bombs strapped to their bodies.

I think it depends upon interpretation and motive. For example Christ said I come not to bring peace but a sword. So that could be taken to permit war and hostility. But in the Bible the tongue is also described as a two edged sword so it can better be understood that Christ’s Words were as a sword which divided the godly from the wicked and makes more sense in light of His statement to love our enemies. Same with Islam. Interpretations of the Quran have both helped and harmed society but the Quran was given for humanity’s benefit not to cause terrorism and such. But men with evil motives took verses out of context to promote their own agenda. I believe God always teaches love and brotherhood and anyone using scripture to hurt and harm has gone far astray and will be brought to account by God sooner or later.

 

[Kenny]

I think it depends upon interpretation and motive. For example Christ said I come not to bring peace but a sword. So that could be taken to permit war and hostility. But in the Bible the tongue is also described as a two edged sword so it can better be understood that Christ’s Words were as a sword which divided the godly from the wicked and makes more sense in light of His statement to love our enemies. Same with Islam. Interpretations of the Quran have both helped and harmed society but the Quran was given for humanity’s benefit not to cause terrorism and such. But men with evil motives took verses out of context to promote their own agenda. I believe God always teaches love and brotherhood and anyone using scripture to hurt and harm has gone far astray and will be brought to account by God sooner or later.

I think you have stated what I was trying to say. It isn't that "Christianity" has changed or that even "Islam" or another other religion has changed. The change (for wrong) is simply done by people.

 

[AppieB]

There were many cultural values and systems in past that were lost in time but Islam always stood. all the western morality you are claiming right now might be seen as immoral in future because cultural values change over time and western values will fade away as well but Islam will always stand. in next hundred years you might not see western liberalism or feminism or whatever but i can gurantee you that Islamic values will remain in next thousand years as well because Islam never changes

You present it as it were a good thing. I live in Europe and I'm very happy Christianity went through the Entlightenment. It's a good thing that gay couples can marry. I wish it for everyone in the world.

 

[Soandso]

Why is the fact that something is old or resistant to change indicitive that it's a good or desireable thing? War has been around for as long as people have, and there's nothing good about that

 

[Muffled]

There were many cultural values and systems in past that were lost in time but Islam always stood. all the western morality you are claiming right now might be seen as immoral in future because cultural values change over time and western values will fade away as well but Islam will always stand. in next hundred years you might not see western liberalism or feminism or whatever but i can gurantee you that Islamic values will remain in next thousand years as well because Islam never changes

I believe when Jesus returns Islam will disappear completely.

 

[Muffled]

I hope human civilization doesn't backslide into darkness like that.

I believe the darkness can never extinguish the light.

 

[Muffled]

i think christianity and other religions are already lost. christianity has changed to fit liberalist,lgbt and whatever but you won't see muslims accepting those things or claiming that to be allowed in islam just to fit in western world. we would never change islam for anything and it can never be changed for anything. it will remain forever while everything else will fade away

I believe those who favor LGBT are no longer Christians except in name but have become apostate. Those who retain faith in God leave those churches and there will always be a faithful remnant.

 

[Orbit]

I believe those who favor LGBT are no longer Christians except in name but have become apostate. Those who retain faith in God leave those churches and there will always be a faithful remnant.

This is quite nonsensical, and your believing it doesn't make it true. You don't get to decide what other peoples' religion is.

 

[Father Heathen]

I believe the darkness can never extinguish the light.

Bigotry, subjugation, and willful ignorance are not of the light.

 

[Quintessence]

Bigotry, subjugation, and willful ignorance are not of the light.

I dunno, seems like it would be to me - the sort of intense light that causes sunburn, blindness, and injury. Darkness gets an unnecessarily bad wrap. Darkness can't hurt you - it's the absence of energy - but light? It's light you've gotta watch out for.

 

[Valjean]

There is nothing about saying ,"red is red" that demonstrates that Islam is good or true or worthwhile. Islam could last for the rest of the existence of the universe and that would still not demonstrate that it was good or true or worthwhile.

Religions rise and fall more by politics than by truth. If any religion were demonstrably true it would be universal, like chemistry or mathematics.

 

[Valjean]

May your faith bring you and your peace within your lifetimes.

May his faith be upgraded to knowledge.
May he learn to think critically.

 

[Valjean]

it's not blindly following any forefather. we don't care about forefathers. we follow the same quran that people in 7th century followed

And, like Jews, Christians, Hindus, &al, you cherry-pick and interpret your scriptures to conform to current social, political, and cultural norms, and imagine it's always been thus.

 

[dybmh]

I dunno, seems like it would be to me - the sort of intense light that causes sunburn, blindness, and injury. Darkness gets an unnecessarily bad wrap. Darkness can't hurt you - it's the absence of energy - but light? It's light you've gotta watch out for.

People conflate darkness with evil. When the Hebrew bible is literally translated, this distinction is clearly written. They are, theoretically, created in the same way, but darkness is not evil.

Although, stumbling around in the darkness isn't all that great, tbh. Sitting still and going nowhere isn't all that great either. Perhaps if someone is a hermit, and does not value and is not interested in anyone or anything physical, they could sit in the darkness. But as soon as they get up to feed themself, they need the light.

 

[Quintessence]

May his faith be upgraded to knowledge.
May he learn to think critically.

May you judge less the lives of others and instead focus on judging your own.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Religions rise and fall more by politics than by truth. If any religion were demonstrably true it would be universal, like chemistry or mathematics.

Yeah, but that is no all of human life.
We are playing this in the end:

Science has limits: A few things that science does not do - Understanding Science

undsci.berkeley.edu

Now if you can do all of human life for all behavior as rational and with objective evidence, I will listen to you.