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Research by NRC handelsblad and Nieuwsuur:
NRC=Dutch Most trusted newspaper & NOS.nl=Dutch best news site ( I trust not much, I do trust these)
'NOS en NRC zijn betrouwbaar, Geenstijl en Telegraaf niet' - Joop
Thousands of children in the Netherlands go to a Salafi school in addition to their regular school. At different mosque schools, teachers teach that Muslim youth should not become friends with Jews or Christians. This is the conclusion of a study by Nieuwsuur and NRC Handelsblad. They also learn that people with a different religion or belief deserve the death penalty.
Thousands of children in the Netherlands follow Islamic lessons outside of regular education. In this informal Islam education, Salafism, a fundamentalist movement, is becoming increasingly dominant.
Nieuwsuur and NRC discovered that there are already at least 50 schools with strong Salafi influences. They investigated what children are taught at those schools. In various textbooks, the punishment of non-believers or other believers is promoted. In a book that the mosque recommends for 15 year olds there is a question about the assessment of someone who denies 1 of the mentioned Islamic columns. The book's answer is "he must be killed because he is an unbeliever."
Children learn to dislike people with a different belief or belief. An important starting lesson is that their clothing may not resemble the clothing of non-Muslims. In this exercise, children must write "who imitates a people belongs to them".
From the age of 15/16 young people learn in different places in the Netherlands that they should not become friends with others. Like with Jews or with Christians. They are not even allowed to let non-Muslims eat their food. And they shouldn't congratulate them on Christmas, that's how we hear in this lesson. This is even a greater sin with Allah, and heavier than congratulating someone who drinks alcohol, commits murder ... this is even worse.
Thousands of children in the Netherlands follow Islamic lessons outside of regular education. In this informal Islam education, Salafism, a fundamentalist movement, is becoming increasingly dominant.
Nieuwsuur and NRC discovered that there are already at least 50 schools with strong Salafi influences. They investigated what children are taught at those schools. In various textbooks, the punishment of non-believers or other believers is promoted. In a book that the mosque recommends for 15 year olds there is a question about the assessment of someone who denies 1 of the mentioned Islamic columns. The book's answer is "he must be killed because he is an unbeliever."
Children learn to dislike people with a different belief or belief. An important starting lesson is that their clothing may not resemble the clothing of non-Muslims. In this exercise, children must write "who imitates a people belongs to them".
From the age of 15/16 young people learn in different places in the Netherlands that they should not become friends with others. Like with Jews or with Christians. They are not even allowed to let non-Muslims eat their food. And they shouldn't congratulate them on Christmas, that's how we hear in this lesson. This is even a greater sin with Allah, and heavier than congratulating someone who drinks alcohol, commits murder ... this is even worse.
NRC=Dutch Most trusted newspaper & NOS.nl=Dutch best news site ( I trust not much, I do trust these)
'NOS en NRC zijn betrouwbaar, Geenstijl en Telegraaf niet' - Joop
Disclaimer:
1) Below is not my opinion. Just Islamic Dutch facts. If you don't like real facts on Islam then stop reading
2) This is not to bash Islam. It is to point out what certain Muslims teach in name of Islam in the Netherlands
3) This is in General Debate and not in Islam Debate, because it's about Islam in Western World
4) Was on the Dutch news 4 days ago. I think this is just what it is, sadly (I double checked on hoax)
Fact: In Dutch Muslim schools they have been teaching Muslim children below things about Islam:
1) People with a different religion or belief deserve the death penalty.
2) Someone who denies 1 of the mentioned Islamic Pillars ... "he must be killed because he is an unbeliever."
This is not incidental. Over 50 schools, thousands of Muslim children were exposed to this Jihad like teaching
Those were just 2 of the many things that were taught. But they did worry me quite a bit
Holland nowadays has ca. 10% Muslims. If they teach Muslim kids this, there will be many soon
I am curious what experiences other countries have with what Muslims teach their children in schools
(Recently it hit the national news that fundamentalist Islam was funding mosques in the Netherlands)
(A few years ago I saw articles about this in Scandinavia too, but I didn't know if it was trustworthy)
Problems will not be solved unless we face the dark reality within religions (now Islam):
Unless people finally realize and understand and admit the problems of Islam and Koran
Unless people finally realize and understand and admit that Islamophobia is a reality, not just a fear
About the poll:
In the poll you can check any/all of the 10 options (you can change anytime)
Because many people easily scream Islamophobia, I am curious what they scream now
If you think this is part of Islamophobia you can select 1: (the whole world can see your vote
)Note:
I googled a little more and found some additional links
First link is the original Dutch link AND Second link(GoogleEnglishTranslated.....)
Last link is an Imam who admits it's all true about Salafist Islam terrorizing Mosques and Holland
(Muslims are threatened if they don't teach what Salafist Islamists want them to teach)
Grote zorgen Tweede Kamer na onderzoek salafistische moskeescholen
Google Translate Major concerns Parliament after investigation Salafist mosque schools
Tumult in de moslimgemeenschap na onderzoek salafistische scholen
Google Translate Tumult in the Muslim community after research Salafist schools
Salafistische scholen leren kinderen zich af te keren van Nederland
Google Translate Salafist schools teach children to turn away from the Netherlands
Imams: ‘Zo onderwijs je de islam niet’
Google Translate Imams: "This is not how you teach Islam"
First link is the original Dutch link AND Second link(GoogleEnglishTranslated.....)
Last link is an Imam who admits it's all true about Salafist Islam terrorizing Mosques and Holland
(Muslims are threatened if they don't teach what Salafist Islamists want them to teach)
Grote zorgen Tweede Kamer na onderzoek salafistische moskeescholen
Google Translate Major concerns Parliament after investigation Salafist mosque schools
Tumult in de moslimgemeenschap na onderzoek salafistische scholen
Google Translate Tumult in the Muslim community after research Salafist schools
Salafistische scholen leren kinderen zich af te keren van Nederland
Google Translate Salafist schools teach children to turn away from the Netherlands
Imams: ‘Zo onderwijs je de islam niet’
Google Translate Imams: "This is not how you teach Islam"
When Imam Elhoussaine Essabir hears that salafists in several places in the Netherlands are calling on young people to leave here, it will be too much for him. He keeps silent staring at the floor of the classroom in the Alkmaar mosque.
He thought of his children, the imam later explains why he became emotional. How should they grow up in a society where on the one hand politicians say that Islam does not fit here, and on the other hand radical Salafists express exactly the same thing: we do not belong here.
"Where should we go then," says Essabir. "To Saudi Arabia, where they saw people in pieces at an embassy?" No, says the imam. "Our rights are better guaranteed in the Netherlands than in Islamic countries."
Not only politicians and the intelligence service are concerned about Salafist education. In the Islamic community, the lessons are at least as controversial. The tensions within families, schools and mosques that cause this do not often come out. You don't throw the dirty laundry on the street, so the opinion is certainly not in a country where Islam is already under attack. Moreover, there is fear among clergymen about intimidation by Salafists, says Saïd Bouharrou of the Council of Moroccan Mosques in the Netherlands (RMMN), to which 70 Islamic organizations are members. "If someone criticizes Salafist ideology, a whole campaign against such a person is set up. Then they get threats, they are labeled apostates or mosque boards are put under pressure to keep them out of the mosque. ”
A sheik, an imam and a teacher nevertheless want to tell how they view salafist teaching methods. "To show that this is not Islam," says Elhoussaine Essabir, 44, imam of the Bilalm Mosque in Alkmaar. He was educated in Morocco and completed an additional study program at the Free University this year.
Said el Mokadmi is a distinguished sheik for many Moroccan-Dutch Muslims. He has a theological institute in Lochem and preaches in mosques throughout the Netherlands. When he sees the lesson examples that NRC and Nieuwsuur collected, he is startled. "This is not possible. It is not Islamic, not pedagogical - it is irresponsible, "he says about the booklets in which young children are taught enemy images about unbelievers and others.
Terms like "idolaters" and "unbelievers" appear in the sacred texts, El Mokadmi acknowledges, but according to him, are misinterpreted by Salafists. "You should not teach this way, and certainly not to children. If you explain it this way you are going to isolate children, get them out of society. "
"The moment my child gets this kind of lessons, I immediately get him out of school," says Mohammed Hessani about the corporal punishment the children learn. As a volunteer, he teaches Koran to children in the Al-Muslim mosque in Nijmegen. "I do not understand that you are giving this to a child here in the Netherlands. We have a Dutch legal system here that gives judgment and punishments. ”
How do religious teachers approach it themselves?
"Very simple," says El Mokadmi. „Allah said: you believe, I believe. And we respect each other ”. Friends are with unbelievers, coming to each other's birthday: El Mokadmi sees no problem in it. "I don't understand why these people are always talking about punishments, punishments. In the sacred texts the punishments are minimal, the rest is joy. Why don't they talk about that? Talk to the children about rewards, about goodness. There is enough to tell! ”
This is not possible. It is not Islamic, not educational - it is irresponsible
Said el Mokadmi, imam
You have to focus on yourself instead of the other, Hessani says. "How am I an exemplary Muslim, how can I mean something to society? Education must be about that. Not about how bad other people are and that you can't handle that. ”
"Child abuse," Imam Essabir even calls it. He scatters with koran texts that, according to him, indicate how mercifully the prophet dealt with dissenters. He tries to spread that message in Alkmaar. “For example, Shiites also come here to pray. That's fine. I try to search for common values, not for differences ”.
But he also sees that young people are sensitive to the Salafi explanation. "We ourselves are guilty of that," says the imam. "We came here as guest workers. Our children went looking for their faith. Who could they go to? Their parents don't have much knowledge. The imam in the mosque only speaks Arabic, they cannot even understand it. Saudi Arabia has responded very well to this by translating books with their ideology and marketing them for free. If a young person is now looking for something about his faith, almost all Dutch-language books are from the Salafist movement. ”
In those books the emphasis is on labeling everything and everyone who deviates from the doctrine as unbelieving. Salafists refuse to interpret sacred texts. "They don't look at how law schools explain those texts in a new context. They make their own Islam, "says Said el Mokadmi. "With the icing on the cake that you have to emigrate. Then you know where that leads to? Only to misery: radicalization and people traveling to Syria. "
El Mokadmi has one advice for salafists who teach young people that they must leave here. "If they really think so, they must go themselves. Then we will be rid of them. "
He thought of his children, the imam later explains why he became emotional. How should they grow up in a society where on the one hand politicians say that Islam does not fit here, and on the other hand radical Salafists express exactly the same thing: we do not belong here.
"Where should we go then," says Essabir. "To Saudi Arabia, where they saw people in pieces at an embassy?" No, says the imam. "Our rights are better guaranteed in the Netherlands than in Islamic countries."
Not only politicians and the intelligence service are concerned about Salafist education. In the Islamic community, the lessons are at least as controversial. The tensions within families, schools and mosques that cause this do not often come out. You don't throw the dirty laundry on the street, so the opinion is certainly not in a country where Islam is already under attack. Moreover, there is fear among clergymen about intimidation by Salafists, says Saïd Bouharrou of the Council of Moroccan Mosques in the Netherlands (RMMN), to which 70 Islamic organizations are members. "If someone criticizes Salafist ideology, a whole campaign against such a person is set up. Then they get threats, they are labeled apostates or mosque boards are put under pressure to keep them out of the mosque. ”
A sheik, an imam and a teacher nevertheless want to tell how they view salafist teaching methods. "To show that this is not Islam," says Elhoussaine Essabir, 44, imam of the Bilalm Mosque in Alkmaar. He was educated in Morocco and completed an additional study program at the Free University this year.
Said el Mokadmi is a distinguished sheik for many Moroccan-Dutch Muslims. He has a theological institute in Lochem and preaches in mosques throughout the Netherlands. When he sees the lesson examples that NRC and Nieuwsuur collected, he is startled. "This is not possible. It is not Islamic, not pedagogical - it is irresponsible, "he says about the booklets in which young children are taught enemy images about unbelievers and others.
Terms like "idolaters" and "unbelievers" appear in the sacred texts, El Mokadmi acknowledges, but according to him, are misinterpreted by Salafists. "You should not teach this way, and certainly not to children. If you explain it this way you are going to isolate children, get them out of society. "
"The moment my child gets this kind of lessons, I immediately get him out of school," says Mohammed Hessani about the corporal punishment the children learn. As a volunteer, he teaches Koran to children in the Al-Muslim mosque in Nijmegen. "I do not understand that you are giving this to a child here in the Netherlands. We have a Dutch legal system here that gives judgment and punishments. ”
How do religious teachers approach it themselves?
"Very simple," says El Mokadmi. „Allah said: you believe, I believe. And we respect each other ”. Friends are with unbelievers, coming to each other's birthday: El Mokadmi sees no problem in it. "I don't understand why these people are always talking about punishments, punishments. In the sacred texts the punishments are minimal, the rest is joy. Why don't they talk about that? Talk to the children about rewards, about goodness. There is enough to tell! ”
This is not possible. It is not Islamic, not educational - it is irresponsible
Said el Mokadmi, imam
You have to focus on yourself instead of the other, Hessani says. "How am I an exemplary Muslim, how can I mean something to society? Education must be about that. Not about how bad other people are and that you can't handle that. ”
"Child abuse," Imam Essabir even calls it. He scatters with koran texts that, according to him, indicate how mercifully the prophet dealt with dissenters. He tries to spread that message in Alkmaar. “For example, Shiites also come here to pray. That's fine. I try to search for common values, not for differences ”.
But he also sees that young people are sensitive to the Salafi explanation. "We ourselves are guilty of that," says the imam. "We came here as guest workers. Our children went looking for their faith. Who could they go to? Their parents don't have much knowledge. The imam in the mosque only speaks Arabic, they cannot even understand it. Saudi Arabia has responded very well to this by translating books with their ideology and marketing them for free. If a young person is now looking for something about his faith, almost all Dutch-language books are from the Salafist movement. ”
In those books the emphasis is on labeling everything and everyone who deviates from the doctrine as unbelieving. Salafists refuse to interpret sacred texts. "They don't look at how law schools explain those texts in a new context. They make their own Islam, "says Said el Mokadmi. "With the icing on the cake that you have to emigrate. Then you know where that leads to? Only to misery: radicalization and people traveling to Syria. "
El Mokadmi has one advice for salafists who teach young people that they must leave here. "If they really think so, they must go themselves. Then we will be rid of them. "
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