Islamic NDEs?

[ThirtyThree]

Why is it I find no accounts of anyone who has had a NDE in the Islamic version of Hell? I also find no accounts of NDEs where one is shown their version of Heaven? Why? I find PLENTY of NDEs where deeply devoted Muslims see Christianity's version of Hell. Some where they see both Hell and Heaven. Some where they see Yeshua as well. All of those avowed Muslims converted to Christianity, by the way. Explain this to me?

 

[wizanda]

Explain this to me?

As someone who has had a NDE, Muslims are the hardest to declare it to, as they don't accept it is possible; no one can see Allah according to many of them, unless the person is a prophet.

 

[Glaurung]

I don't think NDEs are proof of anything. There's little to no consistency in what people actually see (unless you read NDE accounts very superficiality or with a confirmation bias) and they're by nature anecdotal.

Why? I find PLENTY of NDEs where deeply devoted Muslims see Christianity's version of Hell.

What do do make of the Hindu and Buddhist NDE accounts of meeting Yama? Yet alone the majority who fail to recall any experience?

All NDE establish at best is the possibility of a disembodied afterlife. In and of itself the phenomenon doesn't constitute anything compelling as evidence. And even if a small percentage are genuine supernatural experiences, there's still no way for us to know it. Which is as good as useless in telling us anything useful.

 

[ThirtyThree]

What do do make of the Hindu and Buddhist NDE accounts of meeting Yama? Yet alone the majority who fail to recall any experience?

What about them?

 

[Glaurung]

What about them?

That's for you to answer. You seem to be working on the presumption that most NDE accounts are Christian in content. This is true in cultures that are culturally Christian. (If you can't see where I'm going with this by now...)

As for Muslims seeing Jesus in NDEs and other visions, I'm not sure how much stock I'd put on such stories. If you can establish that Muslims are converting on a noticeable scale then there's reason to think something is going on.

 

[FearGod]

As someone who has had a NDE, Muslims are the hardest to declare it to, as they don't accept it is possible; no one can see Allah according to many of them, unless the person is a prophet.

Not even the prophet.

 

[Useless2015]

Why is it I find no accounts of anyone who has had a NDE in the Islamic version of Hell? I also find no accounts of NDEs where one is shown their version of Heaven? Why? I find PLENTY of NDEs where deeply devoted Muslims see Christianity's version of Hell. Some where they see both Hell and Heaven. Some where they see Yeshua as well. All of those avowed Muslims converted to Christianity, by the way. Explain this to me?

It's called propaganda:

• : ideas or statements that are often false or exaggerated and that are spread in order to help a cause, a political leader, a government,religion etc.
  

 

[ThirtyThree]

It's called propaganda:

• : ideas or statements that are often false or exaggerated and that are spread in order to help a cause, a political leader, a government,religion etc.

Are you discounting all of the NDEs which cause avowed Muslims to convert to Christianity as propaganda?

 

[Aupmanyav]

.. no one can see Allah according to many of them, unless the person is a prophet.

Yes, no one can see Allah, perhaps not even prophets (Did Moses see the hind part of Allah according to Islam?). He corresponds only with his angels or perhaps not even that, we do not know. However, the closest account is when Mohammad rode Burraq to heaven and met the prophets.

What do do make of the Hindu and Buddhist NDE accounts of meeting Yama?

A natural process - hallucination induced by accumulation of carbon-di-oxide in the brain when fresh oxygen supply stops.

 

[George-ananda]

Are you discounting all of the NDEs which cause avowed Muslims to convert to Christianity as propaganda?

Do you have any evidence this even happens?

 

[ThirtyThree]

Do you have any evidence this even happens?

There are numerous accounts of it and I will take those all at face value.

 

[George-ananda]

There are numerous accounts of it and I will take those all at face value.

Anything you can share with us?

 

[ThirtyThree]

Anything you can share with us?

That is one of them. Just use Google.

 

[George-ananda]

That is one of them. Just use Google.

ohhh....I know Sid Roth and he is only interested in presenting the evangelic Christian side of stories. If you have any source that this happens in significant numbers I'd be surprised.

 

[wizanda]

That isn't a NDE though, that is supposed to be a visitation....

Personally would say a lot of that is intermingled with false ideology; lots of people seem to do that, like the church captures them to proselytize.

 

[ThirtyThree]

That isn't a NDE though, that is supposed to be a visitation....

Personally would say a lot of that is intermingled with false ideology; lots of people seem to do that, like the church captures them to proselytize.

I take note of that.

 

[Useless2015]

Are you discounting all of the NDEs which cause avowed Muslims to convert to Christianity as propaganda?

No because i don't take everything as truth.

 

[ThirtyThree]

No because i don't take everything as truth.

Neither do I.