Israel’s war crimes in Gaza are by design, not default

[metis]

Please explain how killing an innocent civilian carrying a white flag , who simply wanted to go back to help evacuate his mother, brother and family is a logical thing to do? There is an international law of war and yes even Israel should abide by it..

Yes, that is under investigation as it appears that at least the last gunshot that killed a woman with a flag came out of an area of where the Israeli tanks were. I do not excuse such actions.

How about you? I don't see any remorse from you dealing with the attack by Hamas on innocent civilians, but then it's possible I may have missed your post(s) if you did.

 

[Colt]

What do you think of the thousands of attacks on Palestinians by Israelis?

I don't know of any "terror attack's" on Palestinians by the Israelis.

 

[Revoltingest]

I don't know of any "terror attack's" on Palestinians by the Israelis.

There's the problem.

Israel and state-sponsored terrorism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Isreal's government also approves of stochastic terrorism by Jewish
citizens against Muslims, especially in occupied territory.

 

[dybmh]

the land stealing by settlers.

This is a myth. The land is most often not "stolen". There are a few cases of outright theft. The Israeli supreme court has taken a hard-line against it. It would be great to be able to focus on these people, criminals, but, while israel is under atttack, these sort of domestic issues are not the priority.

Israel: Supreme Court Voids Law Legalizing Settlements Built on Unauthorized and Privately Owned Land in West Bank

(July 14, 2020) On June 9, 2020, the Supreme Court of Israel, sitting as a High Court of Justice, ruled 8–1 to accept a petition against the constitutionality of the Law on the Regulation of Settlement in Judea and Samaria, 5777-2017 (Feb. 13, 2017). The majority opinion was rendered by Court...

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What actually happens is settlers will purchase homes in previously jewish communities in the west bank. Or they go to unoccupied open spaces in the west bank with campers... trailers. Then a few more show up, and a few more, and a few more... pretty soon there's a camp. A settlement. It's not "stealing" in the conventional sense. They shouldn't be there, but they're more like vagrants. Transients. In America, specifically in my locality, there is a homeless epidemic. They do cause problems. There is violence and vandalism. The local law enforcement helps in some ways and permits it in other ways.

I'll see if I can find a picture... OK... good, I found it. Here's what an actual settler camp looks like from a local palestinian in a recent video on Youtube.




There's a youtuber named Salukie, an israeli, who sneaks across the border into the occupied territory documenting the life and stories of Palestinians. He's very friendly to the Palestinians. His tour guide hates the settlers. You can tell by the video. During the video interview, he documents what is alleged to be settler violence against Palestinians. It's vandalism. The Palestinian shows him the settler camp far in the distance.

Here's a link to the video. It's a real world, current, under cover exploration and interview with Palestinians during the current conflict. It puts the accustations about the settlers into their proper context so that it is not exaggerated.

 

[Sakeenah]

Yes, that is under investigation as it appears that at least the last gunshot that killed a woman with a flag came out of an area of where the Israeli tanks were. I do not excuse such actions.

How about you? I don't see any remorse from you dealing with the attack by Hamas on innocent civilians, but then it's possible I may have missed your post(s) if you did.

I think you missed my post in a different thread where I clearly mentioned that the attacks by Hamas on innocent people were horrific. The killing of innocent people can never be justified.

 

[Colt]

There's the problem.

Israel and state-sponsored terrorism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Isreal's government also approves of stochastic terrorism by Jewish
citizens against Muslims, especially in occupied territory.

Some of the Wiki is questionable, some is in response to previous attacks by the PLO on Jews and others is dealing with threats against the state of Israel. Paltry by comparison! Comprehensive Listing of Terrorism Victims in Israel

 

[Sakeenah]

I don't know of any "terror attack's" on Palestinians by the Israelis.

Can you give me the definition of a terror attack?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The BBC....one of the most hated sources.
Ironic, given that their government is largely
responsible for Israel's creation.

Them and the French, this mess and the curremt messes in the Middle East.
We have to realize and understand we can't force people into a peace under our terms. It's not even our duty or responsibility to make them get along, but it is our obligation and the right thing to do to leave them alone to build themselves up free of Bulldogs and Uncle Sam amd other outsiders trying to dictate what path they'll follow (its usually towards violent and destructive ends, anyways, when an outsider does it).

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Listen, one can relitigate the past until the cows come home, but the here & now has it that Hamas attacked civilians, raped and tortured some, took hostages, and they well knew what they were doing and what Israelis would do back in return. On top of that, they have 350 miles of tunnels whereas some of the entrances/exists are under hospitals, schools, etc. And then when Israel tries to destroy these funnels and the militants hiding within them, some like you blame Israel. How can Israel destroy these illegal sanctuaries without doing harm to innocent civilians that Hamas uses as human shields?

I truly feel sorry for innocent Palestinians, but this is war and war in the last two centuries have it that the vast majority of deaths are civilians. Israel has no choice, unless they were to just stand back and allow Hamas to run rampant over them and just watch the Hamas' missiles hit them without responding.

Unless you have something new to add, this conversation between us is over.

This isn't war but an extermination. They're killing anyone and everyone, including areas they said would be safe for civilians.
The outrage towards US Military brutality in Afghanistan and Iraq is rightfully felt here, amd we have many years indicating how thise military wrongs fueled anti-American sentiments and even drive them to the Chinese (who hasn't been killing them indiscriminately). Amd when it was said and done the Taliban just crawled out if the woodworks and picked up where they left off.
But, yes, when he's done razing Gaza I'm sure Netanyahu will get a peace award like Obama, who absolutely loved his drone strikes amd ensured future violence.

 

[Sakeenah]

This isn't war but an extermination.

I agree..I would add ethnic cleansing.

 

[dybmh]

How do you explain the innocent killings, imprisonment of thousands in the last couple of months in the West Bank and Jerusalem by IDF soldiers

The innocent killing is difficult to quantify at this time, however, the detainment is something which can be explained.

So.

Israeli intellligence intercepted a plan very very similar to the Oct. 7th approx. 1 year ago. It was not taken seriously by the chain of command at the time it was rec'd because it was deemed unrealistic. Among other reasons, they believed Hamas couldn't pull it off because they would need priviledged, confidential, insider information in order to accomplish the operation as it was written.

After Oct. 7th, the israeli military is looking for the informant. It's looking for the weaknesses which were exploited. They're trying to find: who, what, when, how, and eventually... why. In order to accomplish this, they're sweeping up any one with any ties to Hamas no matter how distant. They''re also scooping up israelis who have connections or are sympathetic to Hamas. These folks are getting detained and interogatted.

That's the connection. That's why so many are being detained. Israel is on a "mole-hunt".

 

[Colt]

Can you give me the definition of a terror attack?

Indiscriminately launching rockets into civilian neighborhoods or crashing planes into peoples office buildings, ramming cars into civilians at a bus stop, stabbing a civilian walking down the street, hatching the head of an orthodox Jew, shooting up a synagogue etc.

Comprehensive Listing of Terrorism Victims in Israel

 

[Firenze]

Please explain how killing an innocent civilian carrying a white flag , who simply wanted to go back to help evacuate his mother, brother and family is a logical thing to do? There is an international law of war and yes even Israel should abide by it..

The zeal of 1 Israeli soldier has even led them to killing 3 white flag carrying Israelis.

Please explain how killing an innocent civilian carrying a white flag , who simply wanted to go back to help evacuate his mother, brother and family is a logical thing to do? There is an international law of war and yes even Israel should abide by it..

 

[Revoltingest]

Some of the Wiki is questionable, some is in response to previous attacks by the PLO on Jews and others is dealing with threats against the state of Israel. Paltry by comparison! Comprehensive Listing of Terrorism Victims in Israel

The "Jewish Virtual Library" is short
on victims who aren't Jewish.
Israel doesn't recognize terrorism
against Muslims....especially when
they commit it.

 

[Sakeenah]

This is a myth. The land is most often not "stolen". There are a few cases of outright theft. The Israeli supreme court has taken a hard-line against it. It would be great to be able to focus on these people, criminals, but, while israel is under atttack, these sort of domestic issues are not the priority.

Israel: Supreme Court Voids Law Legalizing Settlements Built on Unauthorized and Privately Owned Land in West Bank

(July 14, 2020) On June 9, 2020, the Supreme Court of Israel, sitting as a High Court of Justice, ruled 8–1 to accept a petition against the constitutionality of the Law on the Regulation of Settlement in Judea and Samaria, 5777-2017 (Feb. 13, 2017). The majority opinion was rendered by Court...

www.loc.gov

What actually happens is settlers will purchase homes in previously jewish communities in the west bank. Or they go to unoccupied open spaces in the west bank with campers... trailers. Then a few more show up, and a few more, and a few more... pretty soon there's a camp. A settlement. It's not "stealing" in the conventional sense. They shouldn't be there, but they're more like vagrants. Transients. In America, specifically in my locality, there is a homeless epidemic. They do cause problems. There is violence and vandalism. The local law enforcement helps in some ways and permits it in other ways.

I'll see if I can find a picture... OK... good, I found it. Here's what actual an actual settler camp looks like from a local palestinian in a recent video on Youtube.

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There's a youtuber named Salukie, an israeli, who sneaks across the border into the occupied territory documenting the life and stories of Palestinians. He's very friendly to the Palestinians. His tour guide hates the settlers. You can tell by the video. During the video interview, he documents what is alleged to be settler violence against Palestinians. It's vandalism. The Palestinian shows him the settler camp far in the distance.

Here's a link to the video. It's a real world, current, under cover exploration and interview with Palestinians during the current conflict. It puts the accustations about the settlers into their proper context so that it is not exaggerated.

Honestly I don't even have to respond to this because Palestinians have explained this better than I can. Here Mohammed Turki talks about his fight to keep his family's home..

 

[Revoltingest]

Them and the French, this mess and the curremt messes in the Middle East.
We have to realize and understand we can't force people into a peace under our terms. It's not even our duty or responsibility to make them get along, but it is our obligation and the right thing to do to leave them alone to build themselves up free of Bulldogs and Uncle Sam amd other outsiders trying to dictate what path they'll follow (its usually towards violent and destructive ends, anyways, when an outsider does it).

USA props up Israel with money & military materiel.
This is a big bargaining chip to coerce justice.
But instead, Genocide Joe & other US leaders
send only bombs for Israel to use on Palestinians.
Is it any coincidence that these leaders are Christian,
Israel is The Jewish State, & Palestinians are Muslim
"human animals", eh.

 

[Colt]

The "Jewish Virtual Library" is short
on victims who aren't Jewish.
Israel doesn't recognize terrorism
against Muslims....especially when
they commit it.

I notice you didn't challenge the long list, rather its just more yea buts!

 

[metis]

I think you missed my post in a different thread where I clearly mentioned that the attacks by Hamas on innocent people were horrific. The killing of innocent people can never be justified.

Thanks for that clarification.

 

[Bthoth]

In the long, well funded planning of the attack on Israel, Hamas knew what the response would be.

Very strange assumptions's's.

What evidence do you have for a single items in that statement?

 

[Revoltingest]

I notice you didn't challenge the long list, rather its just more yea buts!

The long list is woefully incomplete.
It doesn't even cover occupied territory
where Israel commits most of its terrorism.