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Israel’s war crimes in Gaza are by design, not default

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
This isn't war but an extermination. They're killing anyone and everyone, including areas they said would be safe for civilians.

Israel must eliminate Hamas, or this will happen over and over again. The above is generally false, especially since if "extermination" was Israel's real motive, there wouldn't be hardly anyone left.
 

Colt

Well-Known Member
Very strange assumptions's's.

What evidence do you have for a single items in that statement?
Every attack on the Jews is met with a response. How can you not know that???????????????


Exodus 21

12 “Whoever strikes a man so that he dies shall be put to death. 13 But if he did not lie in wait for him, but God let him fall into his hand, then I will appoint for you a place to which he may flee. 14 But if a man willfully attacks another to kill him by cunning, you shall take him from my altar, that he may die.

23 But if there is harm, then you shall pay life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.
 

Bthoth

Well-Known Member
How can anyone substantiate total destruction of GAZA and the uprooting of 2.5 million over a single atrocity of rogue terrorist?

Has anyone ever flipped the coin to comprehend, that israel has oppressed the people of palestine for over half a century.

What will be justice equal to both sides?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Israel must eliminate Hamas, or this will happen over and over again.
Eliminating Hamas will mean murdering & maiming
so many tens of thousands of Palestinians that anger
& hatred will blossom, & it will happen over & over
again.
I'm still surprised that for a devout Christian, you
sure do post a lot in favor of death over peace.
Is that what you taught your anthropology students,
ie, that conflicts are resolved by exterminating the
enemy by scorching the Earth?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Naw, you just call everything terrorism regardless of why the Jews are responding.
I'm far from alone in recognizing that Israel's
policies of collective punishment, kidnapping,
assassination, prison without trial, torture, etc
are state terrorism.
 

dybmh

ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
Honestly I don't even have to respond to this because Palestinians have explained this better than I can. Here Mohammed Turki talks about his fight to keep his family's home..


This was bebunked by your own source in this thread. I already mentioned it, but, you do not appear to be reading the replies.

If you'll notice, ( perhaps other readers will pay closer attention to the actual details ), the reason he is being evicted is because he and his family do not own their home. No one is "stealing" their home. The home was sold, and they are refusing to leave. If they want to stay, then there are legal measures they can take to prove their ownership.

The story comes from East Jerusalem. Their homes are being S-O-L-D. That's the opposite of theft.


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They DO NOT OWN the land. But that doesn't stop people from claiming and imagining that they do.
 

dybmh

ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
How can anyone substantiate total destruction of GAZA

Here is a webcam of Gaza. You can see for yourself it is not being "totally destroyed" anytime you wish. It's night-time there, but, later this evening, I'll grap a few pictures confirming it. I checked last night, though. Gaza was quiet and intact.

Please note this reply does not mean I am not ignoring your nonsense.

 

Bthoth

Well-Known Member
Every attack on the Jews is met with a response. How can you not know that???????????????
Are you lost to what I asked you?

You wrote this and i asked for EVIDENCE to address that statement.
Colt said:
In the long, well funded planning of the attack on Israel, Hamas knew what the response would be.


In stead you write another tangent.

And your statement is a joke at that, as Jews are being attacked all over the world because of what Israel is doing with gaza and them Jews are getting no justice for them crimes either. Israel is dong more damage to Jews and judaism, than anything since ww2.

No wonder very little solutions develop, the biased are just obtuse.
Exodus 21

12 “Whoever strikes a man so that he dies shall be put to death.
OK. is that about the US death penalty laws?
13 But if he did not lie in wait for him, but God let him fall into his hand, then I will appoint for you a place to which he may flee. 14 But if a man willfully attacks another to kill him by cunning, you shall take him from my altar, that he may die.
OK...... no wonder there is no temple on that mount. The terrorist (irgun) lied and use tunnels to hide weapons for terrorism. But I do not accept killing them all for what happened in the 30's and 40's.
23 But if there is harm, then you shall pay life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.

And which side has had the more deaths?

Be honest. You know the proportions are wide and many innocent people are dying because of the actions of a few. Will you put those scriptures on the table to judge the IDF and israeli settlers that fire bomb homes of the west bank?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Here is a webcam of Gaza. You can see for yourself it is not being "totally destroyed" anytime you wish. It's night-time there, but, later this evening, I'll grap a few pictures confirming it. I checked last night, though. Gaza was quiet and intact.

Please note this reply does not mean I am not ignoring your nonsense.

Not total.
But the extent of damage serves Israel's goal
of eliminating Palestinians from Gaza, &
sending them to Africa.
 

Sakeenah

Well-Known Member
Indiscriminately launching rockets into civilian neighborhoods or crashing planes into peoples office buildings, ramming cars into civilians at a bus stop, stabbing a civilian walking down the street, hatching the head of an orthodox Jew, shooting up a synagogue etc.

Comprehensive Listing of Terrorism Victims in Israel

Those are examples of terrorist attacks, I asked you for the definition of terror attack or maybe easier to define is terrorism. This is the definition on the Britannica website

"Terrorism, the calculated use of violence to create a general climate of fear in a population and thereby to bring about a particular political objective. Terrorism has been practiced by political organizations with both rightist and leftist objectives, by nationalistic and religious groups, by revolutionaries, and even by state institutions such as armies, intelligence services, and police."

Based on this definition terror attacks have been committed against the Palestinians
 
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dybmh

ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
Here is why residential buildings are included. They are enemy bunkers. How can you tell? See below:

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The holes are intentionally punched out in a straight line making the residence easy to see it's being used as a rocket installation. Please note the glow in the window of the first picture. The rocket is fired and then sent through the holes.

Hamas and the other factions which have partnered with them have compromised the entire Gazan infrastructure top-to-bottom. Residences, roads, schools, hospitals... everything. But the attacks are not "indiscriminate". Once there is evidence that a structure is being used for military purposes... bye-bye. That's war.
 

Bthoth

Well-Known Member
Israel's war crimes in gaza continue and the use of every type of media to substantiate the complete destruction is ongoing.

But now, the people of gaza will have to move back into jerusalem to reduce a title of hate crimes against israel.
 
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Colt

Well-Known Member
Are you lost to what I asked you?

You wrote this and i asked for EVIDENCE to address that statement.
Colt said:
In the long, well funded planning of the attack on Israel, Hamas knew what the response would be.


In stead you write another tangent.

And your statement is a joke at that, as Jews are being attacked all over the world because of what Israel is doing with gaza and them Jews are getting no justice for them crimes either. Israel is dong more damage to Jews and judaism, than anything since ww2.

No wonder very little solutions develop, the biased are just obtuse.

OK. is that about the US death penalty laws?

OK...... no wonder there is no temple on that mount. The terrorist (irgun) lied and use tunnels to hide weapons for terrorism. But I do not accept killing them all for what happened in the 30's and 40's.


And which side has had the more deaths?

Be honest. You know the proportions are wide and many innocent people are dying because of the actions of a few. Will you put those scriptures on the table to judge the IDF and israeli settlers that fire bomb homes of the west bank?
They could have asked anyone but you I guess!

Hamas: "if we launch a massive terror attack on Israel what with Israeli do?"

Everyone in the world but you: "they will crush you and there will be a lot of collateral damage"!
 

Bthoth

Well-Known Member
They could have asked anyone but you I guess!

Hamas: "if we launch a massive terror attack on Israel what with Israeli do?"

Everyone in the world but you: "they will crush you and there will be a lot of collateral damage"!

gibberish using irrational nonsense .
 

dybmh

ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
the complete destruction is ongoing.

Right now in Gaza it is Thursday Feb. 1st at 6:18AM. This is what Gaza looks like. The row of buildings closest to the border are 80-90% destroyed. The buildings along the horizon line beyond that first layer look better. However, this is how it looked yesterday. The worst appears to be over. I'll keep monitoring the web-cam daily to see if there are any changes.

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Bthoth

Well-Known Member
Right now in Gaza it is Thursday Feb. 1st at 6:18AM. This is what Gaza looks like. The row of buildings closest to the border are 80-90% destroyed. The buildings along the horizon line beyond that first layer look better. However, this is how it looked yesterday. The worst appears to be over. I'll keep monitoring the web-cam daily to see if there are any changes.

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Thanks you for monitoring the disaster.

Apparently when I convey and show opinions of 'uninhabitable' as represented by opposing opinions, it is not appreciated by others.

I am aware that israel can not remove palestinians from palestine (the lands that israel exists within), so no matter what the concentration camp (gaza) looks like, israel cannot exterminate the palestinians.
 

Jayhawker Soule

-- untitled --
Premium Member
... so no matter what the concentration camp (gaza) looks like, israel cannot exterminate the palestinians.
Have you ever visited a concentration camp?

Whatever one thinks of Israel, and however one views the current conflict, this callous, intentional, and oft times ignorant game of weaponizing terms with deep and traumatic associations with the Shoah is disgusting.
 
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