Israel Advocating Limiting Free Speech In USA ??

[Flankerl]

This conflation originates in Israel, the "Jewish State".

Oh no a single country in the world with Jewish holidays and a week modelled after the Jewish week.
This is clearly an outrage. Don't the Jews know that it's only acceptable to have Christian or Islamic holidays and a week modelled after the Christian or Islamic week?

But we'll show them!

Never again... unless you are Palestinian.

 

[Father Heathen]

How can anyone legitimately criticise Israel or its government and policies, with out being accused of antisemitism.
I often have misgivings about its land policies and use of military power. But I have never had occasion to disrespect a Jewish citizen.

I have sometime been accused of Anti-Americanism for criticizing Trump, the GOP or it's love of guns. but no one has suggested such criticism should be classed as a crime.

It's imbecilic to conflate religion, race, and nationality and then suggest that a government represents such, thus is beyond reproach and should be allowed to commit abuses with impunity.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

I like the question.
One must recognize that while Israel exists because of Judaism,
even Jews don't all agree with its existence or policies. IOW,
Jews are individuals, with great variation. Israelis are too.

However it is clear that many Jews and apologists have become very sensitised to any sort of criticism, and cry anti antisemitism at the least provocation. If they do not want their acts to be criticised they should perhaps change their policies. rather than cry wolf.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Oh no a single country in the world with Jewish holidays and a week modelled after the Jewish week.
This is clearly an outrage. Don't the Jews know that it's only acceptable to have Christian or Islamic holidays and a week modelled after the Christian or Islamic week?

But we'll show them!

The population of Israel has moved in very much the same direction as have most countries since WW2.
Poorer countries have grown far more rapidly than richer ones.

File:Population of Israel since 1949.svg - Wikipedia

 

[Revoltingest]

However it is clear that many Jews and apologists have become very sensitised to any sort of criticism, and cry anti antisemitism at the least provocation. If they do not want their acts to be criticised they should perhaps change their policies. rather than cry wolf.

True dat.

 

[Flankerl]

However it is clear that many Jews and apologists have become very sensitised to any sort of criticism, and cry anti antisemitism at the least provocation. If they do not want their acts to be criticised they should perhaps change their policies. rather than cry wolf.

Quite the interesting thing to write after two Synagogues were shot up because the shooters believe that the Jews only wreck nations, control the Governments and are behind all the dirty immigrants to turn the countries brown.

When will those Jews stop being so sensitive?
Let's make a political cartoon where the Jew leads the blind President who is secretly a Jew.

The population of Israel has moved in very much the same direction as have most countries since WW2.
Poorer countries have grown far more rapidly than richer ones.

File:Population of Israel since 1949.svg - Wikipedia

So that means Israel was hit by a continuous Genocide. Otherwise these numbers make no sense.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Quite the interesting thing to write after two Synagogues were shot up because the shooters believe that the Jews only wreck nations, control the Governments and are behind all the dirty immigrants to turn the countries brown.

When will those Jews stop being so sensitive?
Let's make a political cartoon where the Jew leads the blind President who is secretly a Jew.




So that means Israel was hit by a continuous Genocide. Otherwise these numbers make no sense.

Clearly birthrate has nothing to do with race or genocide.

Cartoons are political comments and have been aggravating politicians since for ever. Even graffiti from the roman period was doing the same. why should Israel expect to be exempt.

places of worship of all Abrahamic religions have been attacked recently, Jews can claim no special targeting in this.

You are demonstrating your own sensitivity to criticism that is not directed to you in person.

 

[Sanzbir]

The irony being that it's an anti-Semitic trope.

Is every political cartoon about an Asian person or black person racist just because racist caricatures have been made of Asians and Africans in the past??

No?? That's weird, since every political cartoon of an Israeli somehow is classed as an antisemitic trope, almost as if a certain country can't take criticism... HMMMMM...

Get over it. The exact same cartoon showed an American Christian in negative light and characterized form, I don't seen the Christians sperging out over it being an attack on Christians, or the Americans denouncing the cartoon as an attack on all Americans!!

Every other country can shrug off political cartoons. Israelis somehow can't. They have to whine about it. (I know not all Israelis, but I'm just mirroring Flankerl's own words here).

Haha so funny. If only people hadn't been murdered over it.

No one was murdered over it, liar. Show me where in the manifesto it posited that cartoon in specific as an inciting incident.

It's like when the American government tried to blame violence in Libya on some anti-Muhammad YouTube video. A transparent attempt to obfuscate truth and sow a narrative for political purposes.

Every other country shrugs it off. Americans somehow can't. They have to whine about it.

Says the person whining about someone criticizing Israel!! It seems every single time someone even states a minor negative about your precious country someone comes out of the woodwork with "MUH ANTISEMITISM".

Not all Jews even like the country. Some consider it blasphemous to even return to the holy land at this point in time. Yet there is a vocal minority among the state of Israel's fanboys who will attempt to use all Jews as a shield against even the slightest criticism of Israel.

And did your genius intellect even realize that the same exact cartoon you are decrying was also critical of America?? I'd say even more critical of America, because which is worse: the person being lead blindly or the one doing the leading??

And you're seriously out there stating that the people defending the cartoon which criticizes both America and Israel can't stand criticism of America?? More Americans are outraged that the cartoon criticizes Netanyahu then they are that it criticizes Trump. What a joke.

Israel and America are terribly authoritarian nations. And the vast majority of the people upset by that last sentence will not be upset because the statement is about America.

Grow some thicker skin. Not every criticism against a country so untrustworthy it regularly spies on its own allies is motivated by anti-antisemitism.

 

[rosends]

I like the question.
One must recognize that while Israel exists because of Judaism,
even Jews don't all agree with its existence or policies. IOW,
Jews are individuals, with great variation. Israelis are too.

If that's the case, then any criticism must explain how it is addressing the concept of Israel which does NOT represent those Jews who disagree with its existence or policies. The same way that things that criticize America make it clear that they don't criticize those individual Americans who disagree with America's existence and/or policies.

What you say makes sense in a theoretical framework, but as, as you say, the conflation comes from the inherent identity of Israel, in the real world, that distinction is impossible and, as I suggested, that makes anti-Zionism equivalent to anti-Semitism.

 

[rosends]

You are demonstrating your own sensitivity to criticism that is not directed to you in person.

I believe, with all due respect, that this might be an erroneous presentation of things.

I don't think one could say that the presentation of one black as an ape is not an attack on all blacks. I don't think it is fair to say "since this presents only one Jews as a dog, it is not a criticism of all Jews."

 

[sooda]

Oh no a single country in the world with Jewish holidays and a week modelled after the Jewish week.
This is clearly an outrage. Don't the Jews know that it's only acceptable to have Christian or Islamic holidays and a week modelled after the Christian or Islamic week?

But we'll show them!

This is very deceptive. 50% of Gazans were not born in Gaza. They are refugees from the Negev and the Occupied West Bank. You should have known that.

 

[Revoltingest]

Quite the interesting thing to write after two Synagogues were shot up because the shooters believe that the Jews only wreck nations, control the Governments and are behind all the dirty immigrants to turn the countries brown.

When will those Jews stop being so sensitive?
Let's make a political cartoon where the Jew leads the blind President who is secretly a Jew.




So that means Israel was hit by a continuous Genocide. Otherwise these numbers make no sense.

What is your intent with such posts....to sway opinions?
Let's see how effective sarcasm is....
"If only we banned cartoons criticizing Israel or Jews, there'd never have been Hitler or Holocaust."
Did that change your mind?

 

[Revoltingest]

If that's the case, then any criticism must explain how it is addressing the concept of Israel which does NOT represent those Jews who disagree with its existence or policies. The same way that things that criticize America make it clear that they don't criticize those individual Americans who disagree with America's existence and/or policies.

What you say makes sense in a theoretical framework, but as, as you say, the conflation comes from the inherent identity of Israel, in the real world, that distinction is impossible and, as I suggested, that makes anti-Zionism equivalent to anti-Semitism.

It's in the nature of cartoons to be pithy....using brevity of wit.
One cannot expect disclaimers.
When the fundamental problem is the over-sensitivity of
some, the cure lies with them, not with everyone else.

 

[Wu Wei]

It's in the nature of cartoons to be pithy....using brevity of wit.
One cannot expect disclaimers.
When the fundamental problem is the over-sensitivity of
some, the cure lies with them, not with everyone else.

You know.... I had an response to this... that was probably half humor and half truth..... but after typing it out and reading it before posting that is would just bring in all sorts of responses I simply do not want to deal with.

Suffice to say, no one wants to change, the certainly do not want to be forced to change, that would be wrong. But it is OK for other to change, or be forced to change, to suite them, that is perfectly OK

 

[Revoltingest]

You know.... I had an response to this... that was probably half humor and half truth..... but after typing it out and reading it before posting that is would just bring in all sorts of responses I simply do not want to deal with.

Suffice to say, no one wants to change, the certainly do not want to be forced to change, that would be wrong. But it is OK for other to change, or be forced to change, to suite them, that is perfectly OK

Despite the spelling horror, I think I understand.
And tis a wise bear who anticipates consequences, & acts accordingly.
Perhaps I'll learn from that....or not.

 

[Flankerl]

Clearly birthrate has nothing to do with race or genocide.

Usually when a group of people had to suffer a genocide you can easily see that in the numbers of the people.
There's always a decrease in numbers that extremely differs from the usual population growth.

You don't see that among the Arabs in the West Bank, the Gaza Strip or Israel.

Why do we see such a decrease in numbers in Rwanda or the Shoah?

Is every political cartoon about an Asian person or black person racist just because racist caricatures have been made of Asians and Africans in the past??

No?? That's weird, since every political cartoon of an Israeli somehow is classed as an antisemitic trope, almost as if a certain country can't take criticism... HMMMMM...

Get over it. The exact same cartoon showed an American Christian in negative light and characterized form, I don't seen the Christians sperging out over it being an attack on Christians, or the Americans denouncing the cartoon as an attack on all Americans!!

Every other country can shrug off political cartoons. Israelis somehow can't. They have to whine about it. (I know not all Israelis, but I'm just mirroring Flankerl's own words here).

So when the Nazis portray the Jews as leading the Prime Minister of the UK around it's anti-Semitic.
When the NYT portrays the Jews as leading the US President around it's not anti-Semitic.

Thanks dude.

No one was murdered over it, liar. Show me where in the manifesto it posited that cartoon in specific as an inciting incident.

It's like when the American government tried to blame violence in Libya on some anti-Muhammad YouTube video. A transparent attempt to obfuscate truth and sow a narrative for political purposes.

That the Jews are the force behind all the powerful Governments has been used as an excuse for systemic violence against Jews since the start of Nationalism.

Says the person whining about someone criticizing Israel!! It seems every single time someone even states a minor negative about your precious country someone comes out of the woodwork with "MUH ANTISEMITISM".

Copying Nazi cartoons is not a minor negative.

Not all Jews even like the country. Some consider it blasphemous to even return to the holy land at this point in time. Yet there is a vocal minority among the state of Israel's fanboys who will attempt to use all Jews as a shield against even the slightest criticism of Israel.

Neither the NK nor Satmar are even remotely numerous enough to be shown as an example for Haredim, less even for Orthodoxy as a whole, let alone all Jewry.

Furthermore NK repeatedly spreads lies about basic TaNaKh and Talmud verses to fester the idea that it's not allowed for Jews to return to Israel.
Meanwhile in reality, multiple Sages and prominent Rabbis who were all far more respectable have made it clear that it's good for us to return home.

And did your genius intellect even realize that the same exact cartoon you are decrying was also critical of America?? I'd say even more critical of America, because which is worse: the person being lead blindly or the one doing the leading??

And you're seriously out there stating that the people defending the cartoon which criticizes both America and Israel can't stand criticism of America?? More Americans are outraged that the cartoon criticizes Netanyahu then they are that it criticizes Trump. What a joke.

It was an attack on the President in the sense that he was shown as a Jew and as so blind to be led by a Jew.

Israel and America are terribly authoritarian nations. And the vast majority of the people upset by that last sentence will not be upset because the statement is about America.

Israel and America are really authoritarian.
Meanwhile behind the great Firewall that totally does not exist (lmao) you are thrown into a dark cell when you criticise the Government.

Nothing of the like happens in Israel or America.
Case in point: You aren't in jail.

Grow some thicker skin. Not every criticism against a country so untrustworthy it regularly spies on its own allies is motivated by anti-antisemitism.

So copying Nazi cartoons is not anti-Semitic. Got it.

This is very deceptive. 50% of Gazans were not born in Gaza. They are refugees from the Negev and the Occupied West Bank. You should have known that.

Most Jews in Israel are descendants of refugees. Cry me a river.

What is your intent with such posts....to sway opinions?
Let's see how effective sarcasm is....
"If only we banned cartoons criticizing Israel or Jews, there'd never have been Hitler or Holocaust."
Did that change your mind?

I am long past the idea that you can sway opinions on this forum regarding Jews or Israel.

Sometimes I still comment on the crap I read. It's just how I am.

 

[Revoltingest]

I am long past the idea that you can sway opinions on this forum regarding Jews or Israel.
Sometimes I still comment on the crap I read. It's just how I am.

So it's just self-pleasuring, eh.

 

[Flankerl]

So it's just self-pleasuring, eh.

If it's too much for you that I disturb the bubble there's always the ignore feature.

If you could see the Private Jewish forum you'd see that Jewish members have been disillusioned over what they read on RF years ago.
They simply resigned.

 

[Revoltingest]

If it's too much for you that I disturb the bubble there's always the ignore feature.

If you could see the Private Jewish forum you'd see that Jewish members have been disillusioned over what they read on RF years ago.
They simply resigned.

I'd never ignore the show.
I see all...except private forums devoted to complaining.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

I have no Idea what makes some peoples more popular than Others.
But as a people, the Irish seem to fit that bill more than Others.

Even though they were labeled as antagonists and bogymen in both World wars, the Germans are not seen as bad guys today.
As long term victims of hate, the Jews take some beating.
It seem to be their perennial fate.

It seems they lack some magic ingredient that would let them fade into the background of peoples perception.
I suspect all people who stand out as different in some way, become easy targets.
As a nation Israel is not popular, but may be no less so than the UK. But the UK suffers far less flak.

However there are millions of people with Jewish and British heritage in he world, that are fully accepted and live perfectly normal untroubled lives.

I fail to understand what makes the Jews en-mas the targets that they obviously are