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Israel Declares War After Hamas Attacks
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I saw that interview too. The colonel did not care, nor could confirm that the target was even killed. They are not in there to confirm but children are being killed that is being measured with a daily count equating to over 400 per day.
heres a good example of what needs to be done from a leading advocate of the Palestinian cause
Do you have recorded evidence or just opinions as evidence?
Why is that? How could Iran be the head of the problem?
is it because they have 38 million and israel is afraid that sooner or later, they will not be able to hold back?
Or is it because the ayatollah created the "RED LINE" that isreal "will not touch that mount" and israel believes him?
Starting a war with iran, is not what "WE the People" are for. STOP IT!
Here's some for you. Well known long before the present war:
Hamas' use of human shields in Gaza - NATO StratCom https://stratcomcoe.org/cuploads/pfiles/hamas_human_shields.pdf
Orbit
I'm a planet
On disabled civilians in Gaza: Gaza: Israeli Attacks, Blockade Devastating for People with Disabilities
i thank you for the publication (sourcing)
I did read it and I thank you. My only reservation is that in the list of references, the majority are News and then IDF publications.
I do not trust the IDF but most of the claims and comment do make sense and the acts should be condemned.
The setting is ugly as cramming 2 million into a concentration camp will and does have collateral damage.
Thank you for the additional information, at least you are trying.
Copernicus
Industrial Strength Linguist
I don't know whether your legal degree is from the same educational institution as mine--Wikipedia--but you can take the same course in Human Shield (law), which lists Protocol I of the Geneva Conventions. That said, it's certainly beyond my competence to argue the finer points of international law, so we'll both have to agree that it should be viewed as such.
That's a very tough question to answer, although, if we are going to use the term "pogrom" loosely, I would also apply it to the current Israeli response to the October 7 terrorist attack. And the advice I would give the victims of October 7 would likely be the same advice you would give this father:
Israel Gaza: Father loses 11 family members in one blast
I know that it is just one tragic anecdote, but these kinds of atrocities are made up of many such anecdotes. The IDF justifies its attacks on densely populated civilian areas as legitimate war targets because of the presence of Hamas fighters and munitions. When it happens in northern Gaza, they often cite their warning to civilians to flee south, taking the position that prior warning somehow mitigated their use of such lethal force. However...
Strikes on south Gaza: BBC verifies attacks in areas of ‘safety’
There is nowhere for civilians to go in Gaza. They tend to gather around areas that are considered safer because of protections mandated by international law. However, Hamas also uses those same areas as staging areas for attacks and storage of weapons. So Israel designates them as legitimate military targets. Catch-22 everywhere.
Orbit
I'm a planet
The propaganda war is disturbing.
The below was posted on twitter, but similar statements actually have been made in past few days by Netanyahu and other Israeli officials. The person in question actually resigned Oct 13th, but remains a member of the Knesset. I can't yet find a news story associated with the quote, so who knows, but it's example of the toxic information environment surrounding Israel-Gaza. The tweet:
Israel's Public Diplomacy Minister: "Erase all of Gaza from the face of the earth. That the Gazan monsters will fly to the southern fence & try to enter Egyptian territory or they will die & their death will be evil."
And then there's this: Israeli rabbis tell Netanyahu that Israel has a right to bomb Al-Shifa hospital in Gaza
On the other side, there was a Hamas leader speaking, quoted in Hamas chief: We won’t discuss recognizing Israel, only wiping it out
"The Hamas leader in the Gaza Strip on Thursday dismissed US and Israeli demands that it lay down its arms and recognize the Jewish state, saying the terror organization is instead debating “when to wipe out Israel.”
It was just as bad, but from the other direction-- HOWEVER, a bunch of recently created Iranian twitter accounts are posting old, inflammatory speeches from years ago and labeling them "current Hamas leaders".
What a mess.
The below was posted on twitter, but similar statements actually have been made in past few days by Netanyahu and other Israeli officials. The person in question actually resigned Oct 13th, but remains a member of the Knesset. I can't yet find a news story associated with the quote, so who knows, but it's example of the toxic information environment surrounding Israel-Gaza. The tweet:
Israel's Public Diplomacy Minister: "Erase all of Gaza from the face of the earth. That the Gazan monsters will fly to the southern fence & try to enter Egyptian territory or they will die & their death will be evil."
And then there's this: Israeli rabbis tell Netanyahu that Israel has a right to bomb Al-Shifa hospital in Gaza
On the other side, there was a Hamas leader speaking, quoted in Hamas chief: We won’t discuss recognizing Israel, only wiping it out
"The Hamas leader in the Gaza Strip on Thursday dismissed US and Israeli demands that it lay down its arms and recognize the Jewish state, saying the terror organization is instead debating “when to wipe out Israel.”
It was just as bad, but from the other direction-- HOWEVER, a bunch of recently created Iranian twitter accounts are posting old, inflammatory speeches from years ago and labeling them "current Hamas leaders".
What a mess.
I don't have the energy, frankly, to dive into the biases of this report. Nearly all criticism of Israel, not Hamas or Egypt. An implicit belief that Israel should, I guess, open its borders in the middle of a war with a group of people who want to destroy them. Just baffling.
What if we don't "use the term ... loosely" but, rather, rely on the guidance provided by the United States Holocaust Museum Holocaust Encyclopedia. In what was October 7th not a pogrom? And why are you so intent on watering down or otherwise blurring the term?
Using the term "concentration camp" is loaded as it has an obvious anti-Jewish history. But yes, Israel and Hamas both are fully aware that Gaza's density and Hamas' use of civilian infrastructure to conduct their operations would lead to an outsized civilian death toll. That's exactly what Hamas wants, unfortunately.
Which would be what, specifically?
Orbit
I'm a planet
Do you think it isn't a real issue? It's the first thing I thought of when the bombing started. What about people on dialysis, oxygen, heart monitors, in incubators, respirators, who need prescription medications, who are in wheelchairs etc? Do they not matter? Is thinking about them "biased"?
You'll note that none of what you replied to criticized discussion of people with medical needs in Gaza. Maybe go back and reread what I actually said. My criticism is the framing of those concerns as entirely the fault of Israel. And the suggestion that Israel open up its borders in the middle of a war.
Rather than "release the hostages" or anything approaching empathy for their families and friends.
Orbit
I'm a planet
I think it's absolutely ridiculous to expect that every remark be prefaced by "Hamas is bad".
Actually according to Hamas, Israeli bombs have already killed 57 of the hostages, I can believe it