Israel Declares War After Hamas Attacks

[Little Dragon]

Israel, the US, Britain, UK

Just one thing, the UK and Britain are almost the same place.

(Great or Greater) Britain is the larger of the two largest British isles, the other being Eire or Ireland. Of course Eire or the Republic of Ireland, is an independent nation.
The name of our nation, is the United Kingdom (of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland)
Ethnically we are called, British English or British Scottish or British Welsh etc..or as we are affectionately known abroad "The scum".

 

[Left Coast]

I believe that Hamas does exactly that. Its Oct 7
attack was designed to provoke an overkill response.
I observe that Israel plays into Hamas's hand by seeing
justification for indiscriminate bombing to intentionally
kill civilians, & dislodge them from Gaza.

See post #307.

No one is being "dislodged from Gaza." Their issue is being stuck, not removed.

As far as "on the ground precision attacks" - you're aware Israel is doing that, yes? And that they intentionally don't "indiscriminately bomb" either?

 

[Left Coast]

They are created to divide people by force.

You're describing borders. Are you against any and all national borders?

Do you know what it's like in gaza and the decades of bombings, phosphorus munitions and living without basic utilities?

No, and I'm betting you don't either.

Do you even care? Or are you so hate filled with 10/7 that nothing else matters?

Your assumption that people can only disagree with you when motivated by hate is telling. You clearly don't think much of me, so further responses will be a waste of my time.

 

[Revoltingest]

No one is being "dislodged from Gaza." Their issue is being stuck, not removed.

By destroying the buildings & infrastructure,
few could survive there, especially with Israel's
embargo of fuel, food, water, etc.
Israel further ordered Gazans to leave.

As far as "on the ground precision attacks" - you're aware Israel is doing that, yes?

I've been opposing the indiscriminate bombing.
Israel admitted favoring destruction over accuracy.

And that they intentionally don't "indiscriminately bomb" either?

You're wrong on that...by Israel's admission.

 

[Riders]

I am praying for peace. I stayed up the other night half the night watching it on live news. It is terrible.

 

[Riders]

I am praying for them now.

 

[Bthoth]

You're describing borders. Are you against any and all national borders?

What borders? Palestinians live throughout israel and even vote in the knessett.

Honesty, i expect honesty for rational conversation.

No, and I'm betting you don't either.

I've watched the divide even before the fencing up of gaza. The majority came from uprooting civilians of jerusalem. I am betting that you have no idea where the people of gaza even came from.

Your assumption that people can only disagree with you when motivated by hate is telling.

You are not disagreeing, you are misrepresenting and conveying rubbish of a biased narrative. You are not telling me anything except proving that you care nothing about the people of either side.

You clearly don't think much of me, so further responses will be a waste of my time.

Thank you that is a solid self reflection.

 

[Riders]

Just shows you how many hypocrites are in religious.

This story is revealing Hamas surprise attack out of Gaza stuns Israel and leaves hundreds dead in fighting, retaliation

It also comes at a time of mounting tensions between Israel and the Palestinians, with the peace process effectively dead for years. Over the past year, Israel’s far-right government has ramped up settlement construction in the occupied West Bank, Israeli settler violence has displaced hundreds of Palestinians there and tensions have flared around a flashpoint Jerusalem holy site.

Hindus and Muslims slaughtered each other during the India/Pakistan partition and Hindus are not Abrahamic. There have been Buddhist fanatics killing people for goodness sake and how crazy is that given what the Buddha taught. The problem is hatred and fanaticism.

groups. Superiores the idea of we are better than them exists in all religions.

 

[Bthoth]

Just shows you how many hypocrites are in religious.

groups. Superiores the idea of we are better than them exists in all religions.

yep, many are the starting forms of racism and bigotry.

 

[Left Coast]

By destroying the buildings & infrastructure,
few could survive there, especially with Israel's
embargo of fuel, food, water, etc.
Israel further ordered Gazans to leave.

Israel did not order Gazans to leave Gaza. How would Israel fight Hamas without destroying infrastructure that they use to launch attacks?

I've been opposing the indiscriminate bombing, which
Israel admitted favored destruction over accuracy.

You're wrong on that...by Israel's admission.

As I recall, that "admission" was in reference to infrastructure, not people. Because Hamas intentionally uses civilian infrastructure for its operations.

 

[Revoltingest]

Israel did not order Gazans to leave Gaza. How would Israel fight Hamas without destroying infrastructure that they use to launch attacks?

Already answered.
By repeatedly asking this question, it appears
my answers are insufficient. Are you claiming
that Israel's response (with over 7,800 dead)
is appropriate?

As I recall, that "admission" was in reference to infrastructure, not people. Because Hamas intentionally uses civilian infrastructure for its operations.

There were people in that infrastructure.
Questions...
Do you believe that Hamas's using them as human shields
justifies Israel's killing them in such great numbers?
If Hamas had tunnels under Jewish cities, do you think
Israel would respond in the same manner as the do under
Muslim cities?

 

[Left Coast]

Already answered.

No, it wasn't. A phrase is not a military strategy. This is why I asked you the same question days ago that you said you didn't have time for. When you actually have time for it, let me know.

 

[Revoltingest]

No, it wasn't.

I offered what not to do,
& what to do...generally.
Specifics would be for
them to determine.

A phrase is not a military strategy. This is why I asked you the same question days ago that you said you didn't have time for. When you actually have time for it, let me know.

I don't recall leaving you with unanswered questions.
Feel free to ask again.
But I just asked you 3 questions.
Answers?

 

[Left Coast]

I offered what not to do,
& what to do...generally.
Specifics would be for
them to determine.

But the specifics are precisely where the issues arise. Israel does take measures to avoid civilian deaths. Israel does use precision on the ground attacks. So if you want to offer criticism, you'll have to actually get specific.

And no, I'm not being distracted by whatever other rabbit trails you're trying to take me down.

 

[Revoltingest]

But the specifics are precisely where the issues arise. Israel does take measures to avoid civilian deaths. Israel does use precision on the ground attacks. So if you want to offer criticism, you'll have to actually get specific.

And no, I'm not being distracted by whatever other rabbit trails you're trying to take me down.

They're relevant, albeit difficult, questions.
And no, I needn't be specific to justify that war crimes are wrong.
It appears to me, from the lack of criticism of Israel, & the doging
of my questions, that you're tacitly claiming war crimes by Israel
are acceptable.

 

[Left Coast]

They're relevant, albeit difficult, questions.
And no, I needn't be specific to justify that war crimes are wrong.
It appears to me, from the lack of criticism of Israel, & the doging
of my questions, that you're tacitly claiming war crimes by Israel
are acceptable.

It appears to me, by failing to be able to offer any specific criticisms of Israel's military strategy beyond slogans, that your criticisms have little weight. So again, when you want to actually be specific, let me know. I'll be curious what you come up with.

 

[Bthoth]

As usual the obtuse care nothing of honest interactions. Defending israel is the only option to the biased. The people of GAZA are only viewed as HAMAS and human beings being killed by huge bombs is not even considered wrong as long as 1 HAMAS member is claimed to be killed.

Weird part is, there are no israelis within the refugee camp to confirm even 1 dead HAMAS member.

The obtuse will be what enables any kind of war with neighboring countries to develop. What HAMAS did was wrong but what israel is doing in retribution is far worse.

I must beg any reading this to please not condemn Jews for what israel or the biased are doing. The obtuse and corrupt that are willing to negate any humanity are not the Jews.

 

[InChrist]

By destroying the buildings & infrastructure,
few could survive there, especially with Israel's
embargo of fuel, food, water, etc.
Israel further ordered Gazans to leave.

Israel is not preventing water, fuel or food from reaching Gaza. On the contrary, it is Hamas depriving their own people.


“One of the most pernicious lies that continues to be spread about Israel is the claim that the Jewish state purposefully denies the local Palestinian population access to drinking water, effectively creating a water-related humanitarian crisis in the West Bank and Gaza.

This libel, which is spread by influencers on social media, by a number of news organizations and by key NGOs, is usually based on a number of false and misleading assertions: That Israeli authorities withhold water from local Palestinians, that Israel steals water that rightfully belongs to the Palestinians and that Israel purposefully pollutes Palestinian water sources.

As will be seen, all of these allegations have no basis in fact and are solely meant to taint Israel’s reputation in the international arena.”

Watering Down the Facts: Israel, the Palestinians & Access to Water | HonestReporting

A deconstruction of the lies about Israel, the Palestinians and access to water in the West Bank and Gaza.

honestreporting.com

Is Israel’s 'Siege' Denying Water and Food to Gaza? Just the Facts

After horrific mass terror attacks by Hamas, Defense Minister Yoav Gallant announced a “complete siege” of Gaza: 'There will be no electricity, no food,

www.camera.org

“Have you been listening to the BBC, or Canal Cinq, or CNN, or NPR, on the situation in Gaza? Have you been reading The New York Times, The Washington Post, or The Guardian? If so, then you are no doubt convinced that there is a “humanitarian crisis” in Gaza, that Israel alone is at fault — “there is no food, no water, no fuel, and the situation is dire,” and the “crisis” can only end when Israel agrees to a “ceasefire.” It isn’t true.”

Israel Helps Remedy the So-Called ‘Humanitarian Crisis’ in Gaza

Have you been listening to the BBC, or Canal Cinq, or CNN, or NPR, on the situation in Gaza? Have you been reading The New York Times, The Washington Post, or The Guardian? If so, then you are no doubt convinced that there is a “humanitarian crisis” in Gaza, that Israel alone is at fault --...

www.jihadwatch.org

 

[Bthoth]

Israel is not preventing water, fuel or food from reaching Gaza. On the contrary, it is Hamas depriving their own people.

HAMAS is but a few rogue extemist. They did not build the fences or shut off the supply lines.

“One of the most pernicious lies that continues to be spread about Israel is the claim that the Jewish state purposefully denies the local Palestinian population access to drinking water, effectively creating a water-related humanitarian crisis in the West Bank and Gaza.

Nothing Jewish about the state of israel except the stealing of the label (name).

Israel DOES NOT represent the Jews of this world.

solely meant to taint Israel’s reputation in the international arena.”

Israel bombing civilians has not just ruined israel's reputation but now having jews turn against israel

For some Jewish peace activists, demands for a cease-fire ...​

NPR
https://www.npr.org › 2023/10/28 › for-some-jewish-pea...



4 days ago — Jewish Americans critical of how Israel and the U.S. are responding to Hamas' attack say they're ostracized by the mainstream

Israel alone is at fault — “there is no food, no water, no fuel, and the situation is dire,” and the “crisis” can only end when Israel agrees to a “ceasefire.” It isn’t true.”

Funny, you know the atrocities are occurring and can only deny what IS REAL.

What do you think jesus would say to you personally about that stance?

 

[Left Coast]

As usual the obtuse care nothing of honest interactions.

Is this a reference to me?

I'll advise you now not to insult me.