Israel dragging USA down

[Shermana]

Not when they have lived in Palestine for centuries.

Most Palestinians descend from Egyptian and Syrian immigrants who immigrated alongside the Zionists. Very few Palestinians descend from any of the Arabs who lived there for centuries. But most don't know this. And Jordan was where most of the ones living there for centuries were.

If you think Palestinians should have their own country, you should be agreeing with the "Jordan Option" since Jordan is 80% of Palestine. If Jordan doesn't have to give up land for Palestine but Israel does, there's a major lop-sided problem there. Jordan can easily absorb 8 million people and if anything is vastly underpopulated and could use the labor, especially to help irrigate the East. The "West Bank" can't. The only reason the Arabs ignore the Jordan plan is because it undermines their attempt to undermine Israel. Anyone who does not advocate the Jordan Plan is biased against Jews and has no concern for history.

 

[Alceste]

From your source:

What do you think a "preemptive" attack is? That boils down to "opinion is divided over whether Israel started it out of strategic calculation or whether Israel started it out of paranoia."

 

[Alceste]

Its amazing,Israel and Zionism runs everything,the UN,US,the President,Hollywood and every Supermart from here to eternity

^ Missing an obvious reference to Israel's attack on a Turkish aid convoy to Gaza in international waters.

"It's amazing, the Israeli government and the IDF never do anything wrong!"

 

[Alceste]

Arabs For Israel: Who Are We?

This group rejects Israeli citizenship?

 

[Reverend Rick]

What do you think a "preemptive" attack is? That boils down to "opinion is divided over whether Israel started it out of strategic calculation or whether Israel started it out of paranoia."

I guess Israel would never have a reason to be paranoid.

 

[Shermana]

^ Missing an obvious reference to Israel's attack on a Turkish aid convoy to Gaza in international waters.

"It's amazing, the Israeli government and the IDF never do anything wrong!"

The one where the Turks attacked them with pipes, knives and metal clubs? Usually aid convoys aren't so armed and don't make attacks on the boarders. I wonder if people who complain about this wish the Israelis boarding the illegal ship (not like other countries allow illegal ships into their harbors) got beat to death instead. Are they advocating for Israelis to not resist when attacked? Seems to. What was Israel supposed to do in that situation? Let all convoys go to Gaza and not check them? Kindly ask the attackers to refrain from beating them with metal clubs? Do you condone beating authorities with metal clubs if you disagree with being boarded?

Imagine what would happen if a Mexican drug boat start beating the Coast Guard with pipes and clubs, would you stick up for the drug boat?

 

[Father Heathen]

This group rejects Israeli citizenship?

Right. I got confused, read the question wrong or something.

Obviously those who reject being a part of israel are those claiming Israel isn't a legitimate state and wanting to take a slice of it (or all of it) for themselves (but not before pummeling it with rockets or strapping bombs to their own children and sending them in to blow up a bus full of civilians, of course).

 

[England my lionheart]

^ Missing an obvious reference to Israel's attack on a Turkish aid convoy to Gaza in international waters.

"It's amazing, the Israeli government and the IDF never do anything wrong!"

Of course they do,they succumb to a sucker punch,they have done so on more than one occasion,Moshe Dayan,one of the greatest Generals in moderm warfare succumbed to a sucker punch when after winning a war against Israels sworn enemy let its enemy back in.

 

[Islam Truth]

I don't blame Jews, I blame Zionists for bringing America down. They did it to Britain and now they will do it to America. Israel will try to take control of Middle East oil and try to be the next global leader. Poor America.

 

[Reverend Rick]

Of course they do,they succumb to a sucker punch,they have done so on more than one occasion,Moshe Dayan,one of the greatest Generals in moderm warfare succumbed to a sucker punch when after winning a war against Israels sworn enemy let its enemy back in.

No good deed goes unpunished.

 

[Reverend Rick]

Anyone who does not advocate the Jordan Plan is biased against Jews and has no concern for history.

The truth if I ever heard it. :yes:

 

[Shermana]

I don't blame Jews, I blame Zionists for bringing America down. They did it to Britain and now they will do it to America. Israel will try to take control of Middle East oil and try to be the next global leader. Poor America.

As opposed to oppressive Tyrants and Aristocracies controlling the Middle East Oil, that's okay of course, as long as they aren't Jews.

 

[England my lionheart]

I don't blame Jews, I blame Zionists for bringing America down. They did it to Britain and now they will do it to America. Israel will try to take control of Middle East oil and try to be the next global leader. Poor America.

They did it to us according to Hamas the Lions and Rotary club are in on the act too,lol,you can read it all in the Protocols of Zion

 

[JacobEzra.]

Most Palestinians descend from Egyptian and Syrian immigrants who immigrated alongside the Zionists. Very few Palestinians descend from any of the Arabs who lived there for centuries. But most don't know this. And Jordan was where most of the ones living there for centuries were.

And Ashkenazim lived in Eastern Europe much longer then they have in Israel.

Give proof that majority of Palestinians are not from the area.

 

[JacobEzra.]

If you think Palestinians should have their own country, you should be agreeing with the "Jordan Option" since Jordan is 80% of Palestine. If Jordan doesn't have to give up land for Palestine but Israel does, there's a major lop-sided problem there. Jordan can easily absorb 8 million people and if anything is vastly underpopulated and could use the labor, especially to help irrigate the East. The "West Bank" can't. The only reason the Arabs ignore the Jordan plan is because it undermines their attempt to undermine Israel. Anyone who does not advocate the Jordan Plan is biased against Jews and has no concern for history.

Okay, then give West bank and Gaza to Jordan. If that is what the inhabitants want.

 

[JacobEzra.]

Anyone who does not advocate the Jordan Plan is biased against Jews and has no concern for history.

Biggest ******** I have herd in awhile.

 

[Alceste]

Haven't Jewish people lived there for centuries too or don't they count

Nobody is arguing that Jewish people shouldn't be able to live there. Only whether right wing Jewish politicians should be allowed to unilaterally declare how things are going to be for Palestinians.

 

[JacobEzra.]

Why can't palistinians be a part of and work with Israel toward a common good, shared interests and mutual benefit? The U.S. has many races and religions all living and working together under the same banner.

I think fundamentalists and extremists are to blame.

I dont know. Maybe because the Jewish government is biased? Make Israeli government more secular then maybe more Palestinians would want that.

I think military occupation is at fault.

 

[Alceste]

I guess Israel would never have a reason to be paranoid.

The point being, they started it. Everybody agrees they started it, regardless of whether they think they were justified in starting it or not.

Therefore,

 

[Alceste]

The one where the Turks attacked them with pipes, knives and metal clubs? Usually aid convoys aren't so armed and don't make attacks on the boarders. I wonder if people who complain about this wish the Israelis boarding the illegal ship (not like other countries allow illegal ships into their harbors) got beat to death instead. Are they advocating for Israelis to not resist when attacked? Seems to. What was Israel supposed to do in that situation? Let all convoys go to Gaza and not check them? Kindly ask the attackers to refrain from beating them with metal clubs? Do you condone beating authorities with metal clubs if you disagree with being boarded?

Imagine what would happen if a Mexican drug boat start beating the Coast Guard with pipes and clubs, would you stick up for the drug boat?

They were in international waters. The blockade itself is illegal. We could argue about this, but it's pointless. If they hadn't boarded the ship looking armed and dangerous (in international waters) they would not have been attacked. They are to blame for the consequences.