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Israel-Gaza : Air strike kills World Central Kitchen heroes

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
@Jayhawker Soule thanks for the postings in this thread. This is why I see no essential difference between how Hamas treats Israelis and how the Israeli military (and government) treats Palestinians.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
Yes, the side angle looks much different. It's almost like those are 2 different cars????View attachment 90096View attachment 90097
Reading just a tiny bit more we see it was two armored cars and a third vehicle.

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libre

In flight
Staff member
Premium Member
Bad intelligence and communication. Unfortunately that happens in war.
Reminds me of the below quote from a debate I saw recently with Mouin Rabbani.
"I'd just like to make you know, the way you characterized it: I think the best example of that I've come across during this specific conflict is John Kirby, the White House spokesman.
...
When he's talking about Palestinian civilian deaths, war is hell, it's a fact of life, get used to it.
When he was confronted with Israeli civilian deaths on October 7th, he literally broke down in tears in public."
Respectfully, I simply do not believe that you'd be willing to accept that 'unfortunately that happens in war' if the victims were your countrymen or associates.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
The USA needs to end all aid to Israel immediately.

Frankly I have no trust in Netanyahu. Their intentions seems to be starving Palestinians.

If Israel had any decency and was afraid of Hamas stealing aid then they should escort the food aid.
At this point, I fully agree with you.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
Even if that were true Hamas and its supporters are responsible for all of this.
They started the current round but Israel is far from blameless given the history of the region and Netanyahu's policies.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Whatever. Have a great day.
Always!

Reminds me of Saturday when I hit a deer
& did $17,000+ damage to my car. The
people I was visiting wondered why I wasn't
upset. I was having a great day! No injury
to me. The deer died a quick deserved death.
Airbags didn't deploy (which would've put the
cost over $20,000).
And AAA showed up quickly to tow the car
for free. Life has been, & continues to be
generally very good to me.
 

Jayhawker Soule

-- untitled --
Premium Member
Yes, the side angle looks much different. It's almost like those are 2 different cars????
It's almost as if the many news source referring to the "convoy" were suggesting that more than one vehicle was involved. Stop embarrassing yourself.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
The USA needs to end all aid to Israel immediately.
That is the minimum.
Given USA's complicity in apartheid & genocide,
it should actively aid & defend them from Israel's
aggression.
Alas, not even the minimum will happen.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
The contradiction between fighting Hamas for many years and peace within reach is to me total

Israel to fight Hamas for many years, Saudi peace within reach, Gantz says

National Unity head: Elected officials' calls against hostages' families shame me • Saudi peace deal is within reach.​


Israel and Hamas will continue to battle for many years, war-cabinet minister and National Unity MK Benny Gantz said in an address to the Israeli public on Wednesday evening.

"It shames me when I hear comments from elected officials disgracing the families. Prime Minister [Benjamin Netanyahu] must publicly support the hostages' families and make sure all coalition members treat them with dignity.
 
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Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
Yes, they were hunted by a drone that stalked them from car to car. There's no way this was an accident. They want to drive aid orgs out of Gaza.

This was similar to what happened to a 5 year old girl, her family and the ambulance crew who attempted to rescue her, in late January:
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
Those of us who were alive for Vietnam are getting the feeling of a song from that era

Waist deep in the Big Muddy
And the big fool says to push on.
Waist deep in the Big Muddy
And the big fool says to push on.
Waist deep! Neck deep! Soon even a
Tall man'll be over his head, we're
Waist deep in the Big Muddy!
And the big fool says to push on!​

That song came to my mind because of this story from the Jewish Chronicle Threat in the north is the real reason the IDF hasn’t gone into Rafah...yet

On an immediate operational level, they had succeeded in taking the enemy by surprise, killing dozens of terrorists and taking hundreds prisoner. But especially for those who had taken part in the previous encirclement of al-Shifa four months earlier, there was an annoying feeling of déjà vu.

One officer whom I had met going into Gaza at the start of the ground offensive, by now five months ago, grimaced, then shrugged when he saw me outside al-Shifa on Sunday. “You again? We really have to stop meeting like this,” was the best in black humour that he could come up with.

There is a creeping realisation among even the most determined officers that the objective of “destroying Hamas” may never be reached.
...
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu last month vetoed the plan formulated by the IDF and presented in cabinet by Defence Minister Yoav Gallant to start allowing a Palestinian security force to take control of parts of the city because it was clear that the force would have ties to the Palestinian Authority in Ramallah.

“Until there’s an alternative, we’ll keep going in and out,” said one security official. “Right now, six months into this war, the government have yet to come up with an alternative.”
...
The IDF is concerned that a Rafah operation will need too many troops, at least a full division, while these forces need to be kept in reserve for a possible escalation against Hezbollah in the north. Employing entire divisions on two fronts would mean another major mobilisation of reserves, for months. It means not only near-paralysis to the Israeli economy, but a severe test of the resilience of the reserve units. That is the real reason for the delay in the Rafah operation.
 

anotherneil

Well-Known Member
I can see that as a plan. What about the 1.6 million people who are already there? From what I'm seeing Netanyahu expects them to die from natural causes: famine and sickness.

Netanyahu seems to be on the same reputation path as putin and Trump, downward spiral into history remembering them as criminals.
You mean Biden? Biden, not Trump, is POTUS.
 
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